Darth J wrote:I'm sure this will help convince the outside world that Mormonism is a mature, respectable religion that deserves to be taken seriously.
I do take Mormonism seriously. It is this crew that I don't respect. It is not that they have never done anything worthy of respect. They just compromise it fatally by being complete assholes in their apologetics.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Cicero wrote:I do continue to think that the likelihood of any formal discipline of prominent apologists is extremely low. That certainly doesn't mean that everyone in the upper echelons of Church hierarchy would be pleased by their antics, however, and I really wish they would cease equating criticism of them with criticism of the church. It is clear that they will not be satisfied for Dehlin to merely return to church activity. For them to stop harping on him, he also has to join the cult of Dan, Bill and Lou.
Despite what the Sophistical One says, no one here imagines disciplinary councils for such misbehavior except in the same wistful sense that we long to return to that special summer day in our youth, or dream of a just world.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Equality wrote:Midgley and The Vile One are having fun straining at the gnat of whether Dehlin tried to quash the piece before or after Midgley assaulted him at the UVU conference. Why it matters is anyone's guess, but that's what they are focused on. Oh, and Kishkumen's Javert-like obsession with The Vile One:
The Vile One wrote:Kishkumen is driven, to an extent that I've only recently begun to realize, by deep, consuming, personal hatred for several people, and it makes him (among other things) pathetically gullible. He eats up Scratch's nonsense with a voracious and uncritical appetite, presumably because the nonsense confirms his hatreds. But it leaves him ravenous for still more, and on it goes.
It's too bad. I think he's a bright fellow, but he's been grievously warped by the environment he's chosen for himself.
And, for that matter, while I've marveled at Scratch's -- my Malevolent Stalker's -- ability to keep this going for at least six years now, Kishkumen has been trotting along faithfully at Scratch's side for that entire time. Occasionally wandering off the path, but almost always very quickly coming back obediently to heel.
Scratch and lostindc and the gang have been in overdrive for the past few days, adding whole new volumes to the demonology they've crafted. It's truly a thing of wonder.
The Vile One wrote:Well, perhaps I'm being too hasty when I read personal dislike into Kishkumen's language about us. Here's a sampling of it -- I'm leaving some out, and have culled it from only a single thread -- from within just the past twenty-four hours:
He's described Professor Midgley as "scary," "deceptive," "sick," "disturbed," a "prince of demons," "irrational," "nasty," "appalling," "vile," a liar, an "albatross on the neck of the LDS Church," and someone with no "decency." He's compared the two of us to "the Inquisition," "barracudas," and "cockroaches," pronouncing us "corrosive," "disgraceful," "rigid," "evil," "bad men" who are guilty of both "intellectual vanity" and "vicious sadism" and who should be dragged before Church disciplinary councils and tried for our membership.
I think that, deep down, he really both likes and respects us, and just wants us to be more gentle in our rhetoric. Don't you?
And, trust me, Kishkumen's pal Scratch and some of the others there are dishing up pure demonizing fiction, complete with mythical pending Church disciplinary councils and insubordination to the leaders of the Church and "inquisitions" and . . . It's unutterably bizarre. But the folks over there seem to be a gullible bunch.
The Vile One wrote:I'm not a fan of harsh language and judgment, either. But, after six years and perhaps even more of such vilification by Scratch and his sidekick Kishkumen and an ever-changing if small cast of extras -- and it's literal vilification, being described as, among many other things, "vile" -- I don't think I'm being particularly rough or hasty in expressing my lack of enthusiasm for this sort of stuff.
sock puppet wrote:Is DCP suffering from early onset Alzheimer's?
Creating controversy and eliciting a negative response is their way of feeling relevant. Alzheimer's has nothing to do with it. Wounded pride is much closer to the mark.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
sock puppet wrote:Is DCP suffering from early onset Alzheimer's?
Creating controversy and eliciting a negative response is their way of feeling relevant. Alzheimer's has nothing to do with it. Wounded pride is much closer to the mark.
I don't doubt wounded pride is a big factor. But I see a big deficit in DCP's judgment making--both in assessing situations and in verbal sparring--as compared to 12-18 months ago, which until then seemed to be maintaining at the same levels.
Whatever the causative factors, DCP's losing it--precipitously.