Righteous!

[_Albion]

I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote. Paul clearly teaches here, and in other places, that God does the work of making a believer righteous because of their faith. Because of faith they receive his grace through the transforming power of the Holy Spirit and are justified before Him. I'm not sure that is any different than what you say but in your haste to put down you must have missed it. The new covenant is that God will consider righteous those who are not righteous, nor able to be righteous by their own efforts, if they will put their faith in his Son. It is the indwelling Spirit that enables good works, commandment keeping and such as the outward demonstration of what has taken place inwardly....the spiritual new birth.

Not sure what you are saying about what you call McGopelites, whatever they are, and there getting nothing from God, You appear to be making the charge that all are hypocrites who continue in sin . If such is the fact one might be justified in assuming there experience never took place in the first place. Since there are thousand that come to Christ in this way each day around the word, people who go on to lead full and committed lives for Him both in local chuches in proper lifetime missions in some of the world's worst places, I believe your charge to be false and is an indication you need to be out more in the Christian community.


Now for your other point. It is not clear exactly what condition Peter and the other disciples were in at the time Jesus made his remark. Probably they were not fuly converted. They were followers and apparently committed to following him as they understood him, and probably did some things through the Spirit as enabled. But they were told by Jesus to go into Jerusalem and wait. There on the day of Pentecost they received the full empowerment of the Holy Spirit which came as the full and complete second comforter promised. Not until them was their conversion complete and they became new creatures in Christ. Clearly they were different from that day forward. Paul was writing after this event so there is nothing out of line in his words.

[_Nightlion]

I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote. Paul clearly teaches here, and in other places, that God does the work of making a believer righteous because of their faith. Because of faith they receive his grace through the transforming power of the Holy Spirit and are justified before Him. I'm not sure that is any different than what you say but in your haste to put down you must have missed it. The new covenant is that God will consider righteous those who are not righteous, nor able to be righteous by their own efforts, if they will put their faith in his Son. It is the indwelling Spirit that enables good works, commandment keeping and such as the outward demonstration of what has taken place inwardly....the spiritual new birth.

Not sure what you are saying about what you call McGopelites, whatever they are, and there getting nothing from God, You appear to be making the charge that all are hypocrites who continue in sin . If such is the fact one might be justified in assuming there experience never took place in the first place. Since there are thousand that come to Christ in this way each day around the word, people who go on to lead full and committed lives for Him both in local chuches in proper lifetime missions in some of the world's worst places, I believe your charge to be false and is an indication you need to be out more in the Christian community.


Now for your other point. It is not clear exactly what condition Peter and the other disciples were in at the time Jesus made his remark. Probably they were not fuly converted. They were followers and apparently committed to following him as they understood him, and probably did some things through the Spirit as enabled. But they were told by Jesus to go into Jerusalem and wait. There on the day of Pentecost they received the full empowerment of the Holy Spirit which came as the full and complete second comforter promised. Not until them was their conversion complete and they became new creatures in Christ. Clearly they were different from that day forward. Paul was writing after this event so there is nothing out of line in his words.

Pentecost was not the second comforter. For all those Jews who already believed upon the name of Jesus and were taught of him seeing him among them forty days, Pentecost was the fulfillment of the promise of the Father the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost which DID change them to new men/women. Thereafter they were fearless.

My judgment of the Christian mainstream is that they cheat the gospel and do not strive in fasting and prayer with one accord taking no thought for their lives while they work out their salvation with fear and trembling in the depths of meekness and humility where broken heart and contrite spirit will draw them to make an acceptable sacrifice of circumcising their hearts that the Lord make give them a new heart clean and sanctified unto all righteousness.

That Christians know the Bible and color themselves into the picture of what they are familiar with calling this the Holy Spirit and that the Lord's grace and giving out a weak and worthless gospel standard which cannot save and only pollutes the kingdom and that for filthy lucre's sake.....for the most part.

The proof is that NONE insist and assist others get it precisely right. ALL allow the wrong way. Showing that they know nothing and do nothing and all is vanity which the Lord will not own. Certainly they have love one for another. Like any den of thieves and brotherhoods of abomination do the same.

[_GR33N]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvf-8hi8ALY

[_Nightlion]

A little more explanation of what's happening with Mainstream Christians. It is actually the same thing Mormons are wrongly doing.
Namely giving a false hope that lightens up the burden of conscience and people live out a placebo salvation deceived to suppose that they are free from the pangs of spiritual death.

This Christian Liberty even though tricked into believing it gives the prospect a sense of relief and great joy.......until the slow grind of reality levels the field and their misery returns....Except for those who were never fooled to begin with who are cashing in big time in money, honors, greed, and all manner of despicable hypocrisy. These have their reward. But it lurketh beneath and is not to be found in the courts on High.

It is simply the natural man making merchandise of the souls of men.

[_Albion]

Got it. Any time I want to know what is happening within Christianity, I'll check with you.

[_Nightlion]

unquotable sig line

I been wanting to find your sig quote from Nephi. Yeah, I could have found it but never bothered. so thanks.

GLORY IN MY JESUS
GLORY IN MY JESUS
GLORY IN MY JESUS EVERY DAY (repeat)
(step, step, step step step,step, step or knee whacka knee whack knee whacka knee whack)(kind of hill billy ish)

EVERY DAY (skipping circular facing outward with arms extended)
EVERY DAY
AND I GLORY IN MY JESUS EVERY
EVERY DAAY

Its one of my favorite psalms to sing. You should see the choreography (noted in text above) I dance in my mind while singing it. LOL I bet someday I will make a video.