First Body Blow to the Left in General Conference

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Droopy wrote:
Bazooka wrote:Hey Droopy - define 'the Left' in global and eternal terms.



By "global" I assume you mean a broad, general definition that encompasses the fundamental things that make the Left, across is various factions, sects, and schools of thought, "of a piece," as it were?


Yep.
A definition that applies to peoples in every country throughout the globe, and indeed, throughout the estates of the next life.
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The global Left is globally corrupt. The American Left is just a shadow and a whisper of it.
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Bazooka wrote:quote="Droopy"

By "global" I assume you mean a broad, general definition that encompasses the fundamental things that make the Left, across is various factions, sects, and schools of thought, "of a piece," as it were?

Yep.
A definition that applies to peoples in every country throughout the globe, and indeed, throughout the estates of the next life.


I've defined the Left (and conservatism) in detail in this forum and others, in some detail, on a number of occasions, but in this instance, given you want also a definition that transcends mortality, let me define it thus:


And this Anti-Christ, whose name was Korihor, (and the law could have no hold upon him) began to preach unto the people that there should be no Christ. And after this manner did he preach, saying:

O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye yoke yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For no man can know of anything which is to come.

Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers.

How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ.

Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.

And many more such things did he say unto them, telling them that there could be no atonement made for the sins of men, but every man fared in this life according to the management of the creature; therefore every man prospered according to his genius, and that every man conquered according to his strength; and whatsoever a man did was no crime.

And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many, causing them to lift up their heads in their wickedness, yea, leading away many women, and also men, to commit whoredoms—telling them that when a man was dead, that was the end thereof...

And thus ye lead away this people after the foolish traditions of your fathers, and according to your own desires; and ye keep them down, even as it were in bondage, that ye may glut yourselves with the labors of their hands, that they durst not look up with boldness, and that they durst not enjoy their rights and privileges.

Yea, they durst not make use of that which is their own lest they should offend their priests, who do yoke them according to their desires, and have brought them to believe, by their traditions and their dreams and their whims and their visions and their pretended mysteries, that they should, if they did not do according to their words, offend some unknown being, who they say is God—a being who never has been seen or known, who never was nor ever will be.



Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.



This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.



And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.



These are the spiritual dynamics, as it were, of what we today call "the Left," which is to say that what is termed in traditional parlance the "Left" has another name, which the scriptures would simply term "wickedness," or "worldliness" or "Babylon" or "the great and spacious building."

The Left, in other words, is really just our contemporary term for what, within a gospel framework, would be broadly understood as the "natural man" and his inclinations, attitudes, values, perception of the world, and beliefs regarding the meaning and nature of existence. The Left is Babylon. The Left is spiritual Rome, Sodom, Corinth etc.

Its various competing schools of thought are bound together at their core by a body of fundamental assumptions and perceptions of the world and of the underlying nature of humankind, and even when they fight like ravening wolves amongst themselves, all of them have, and will combine together against, a common enemy: light, truth, Christ, his gospel, and his people, including any people holding to any substantial portion of true principles, from wherever derived.
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The Left, in other words, is really just our contemporary term for what, within a gospel framework, would be broadly understood as the "natural man" and his inclinations, attitudes, values, perception of the world, and beliefs regarding the meaning and nature of existence. The Left is Babylon. The Left is spiritual Rome, Sodom, Corinth etc.


So, in 1977 would members clamouring for racial equality have been considered "the Left"?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
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Bazooka wrote:
The Left, in other words, is really just our contemporary term for what, within a gospel framework, would be broadly understood as the "natural man" and his inclinations, attitudes, values, perception of the world, and beliefs regarding the meaning and nature of existence. The Left is Babylon. The Left is spiritual Rome, Sodom, Corinth etc.


So, in 1977 would members clamouring for racial equality have been considered "the Left"?



Not in any necessary sense because

1. The desire for racial equality was never a monopoly of the Left (no matter what the popular mythology to the contrary claims).

2. Racial equality was, for much of the Left, nothing more than a tactical issue from within which to work for its other underlying goals and aims.
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asbestosman wrote:
moksha wrote:In his concluding remarks, President Thomas Monson said we need to have tolerance and understanding for all, just as Jesus had love and understanding for all.

As I recall, he specifically said we needed to be tolerant of those who do not share our beliefs and values.

Counter body blow by President Monson? I think he'd be the winner--a man of large stature in both body and spirit.


It does make you wonder how much of the Quorum is at cross purposes. Lord Packer and Darth Bednar against the light side of the force perhaps, with Lord Dallin Oaks Duku becoming one with the Sith. Will Jedi Masters Monson and Uchtdorf be sufficient to prevail?

Need to tune into further episodes and hope we do not live to see the coming of Lord Bednar the Imperious.
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ludwigm wrote:
Droopy wrote:Borders and culture are of no concern. The doctrines and standards are the same, and all, whether in America or anywhere else,

For example, in Hungary - and in most of the European countries - where only the civil marriage is official, the standard is the civil marriage first, then within a few weeks in the temple, according to the temple travel timing. And the only true church has not - can not be - any objection or one year punishment.

American standard? Any cult, sect, church, denomination, carpet-bagger preachman or rook have the entitlement to validate a marriage?
This is a joke. A bad one.

Church standard? Here, people can marry (unofficially...) in any religion. None of them ban anybody to take part in their ceremonies. Atheists, members of other religions, don't count. Only the only true church do the ban.
This is another joke, a worse one.

Standards... don't kid me. Badly translated manuals, misinterpreted by undereducated laymans - called priests, or priesthood holders - that is.

No written doctrine, no written teology, don't taught teology, even for "bishops" and "high priests".


I suspect the same thing was said about Christians circa 45 AD by Pharisees.
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