?????Occult Context of Joseph Smith?????s 1823 Discovery of Gold Plates"

[_Fence Sitter]

Found the verse.

Mosiah 8:13

Now Ammon said unto him: I can assuredly tell thee, O king, of a man that can translate the records: for he has herewith that he can look, and translate all records that are of ancient date; and it is a gift from God. And the things are called interpreters, and no man can look in them except he be commanded, lest he should look for that he ought not and he should perish. And whosoever is commanded to look in them, the same is called seer.

[_Quasimodo]

Harumph. President Pussy, I say.

You could say, he hasn't got the stones to use the stones.

Maybe he doesn't have a suitable hat.

[_Dan Vogel]

I've just listened to a few minutes so far-- huge difference and improvement in the tone of the narration. Great job.

Thanks.

[_Dan Vogel]

Text form trans-script?
Or transcript...

He gets asked about that frequently, Ludwigm. So far he does not produce them in any format outside the videos. (At least that was the response I last saw from him.)

While I appreciate the videos, I too would like to see a text version of these productions.

Do you think they would make a good book?

[_Quasimodo]

Do you think they would make a good book?

Kinda jumping in here, but I think a very good book could be written from your information. I very much enjoyed the video!

[_Dan Vogel]

ldsfaqs,

You're getting more "bigoted" their Vogel? "Occult"? Really???

Quinn is a believer and he uses “occult”, because it has a legitimate use that is not pejorative. I use it because of the treasure lore elements in the original story: communing with the dead, being attacked, plates moving, astrology, and Joseph being tricked by the death of his brother.

Every kid on the planet in small towns have always gone treasure hunting.
Joseph was a little different because he saw things and was successful a few times.

To me, your second sentence contradicts the first. The use of a seer stone, by which Joseph Smith saw guardian spirits and treasures is an occult practice. It’s a long way from what every kid does.

Further, things like dowsing, etc. etc. in those day's weren't considered "occult", they were normal folk practices. by the way, there are Corporations that still "dowse" today, and they are successful.

Joseph Smith was using a seer stone, which is not the same as dowsing. Dowsing was/is believed to work by scientific principles; whereas seeing is an entirely different thing. by the way, dowsing fails every time under double blind tests. There are still some foolish people who believe in it. Water isn’t located in specific places and drilling anywhere in the same area produces water. You can find all this information online.

http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html

Recently a conman sold the military dowsers that were said to detect bombs at auto checkpoints. This resulted in a lot of people dying.

[_Dan Vogel]

Do you think they would make a good book?

Kinda jumping in here, but I think a very good book could be written from your information. I very much enjoyed the video!

Thanks.

[_Dan Vogel]

I watched the whole thing and thought it was very good. I like that the pace seemed a bit faster than past videos (any faster would probably be too fast). Well done.

Thanks for the feedback.

[_tagriffy]

Text form trans-script?
Or transcript...

He gets asked about that frequently, Ludwigm. So far he does not produce them in any format outside the videos. (At least that was the response I last saw from him.)

While I appreciate the videos, I too would like to see a text version of these productions.

Do you think they would make a good book?

I would appreciate some text form of the work myself. An online transcript, a book. It doesn't really matter. I have problems with the spoken word and prefer texts.

[_Dan Vogel]

Boring....

Every kid on the planet in small towns have always gone treasure hunting.
Joseph was a little different because he saw things and was successful a few times.

Further, things like dowsing, etc. etc. in those day's weren't considered "occult", they were normal folk practices. by the way, there are Corporations that still "dowse" today, and they are successful.

You're getting more "bigoted" their Vogel? "Occult"? Really???

Does Dowsing Work?

Anyone who thinks dowsing is "successful" should demonstrate the ability in a controlled test for the Randi Foundation, which offers a $1 million prize to anyone “to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”

By the way, the use of the word "occult" is not a bigoted slur. The word goes back to the 16th century and means, simply, "of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies." Seems to describe Smith's treasure-digging perfectly well.

Nice. Thanks.