I'm going to say... 15?
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1?lang=eng
How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
How do we really know the First Vision was his 1st vision? I mean with a memory so bad, maybe he had other visions that he just forgot about or conflated with this one.
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
7 I was at this time in my fifteenth year...
If you start counting your first year at birth where age 0-1 is your "first year", wouldn't this make your "fifteenth year" age 14-15 (14-14.999)?
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
Fence Sitter wrote:How do we really know the First Vision was his 1st vision? I mean with a memory so bad, maybe he had other visions that he just forgot about or conflated with this one.
For example the vision of the four being in the temple at Kirtland, Ohio, April 3, 1836. (D&C 110)
1. The Lord Jehovah who said "I am your advocate with the Father"
2. Moses who led the ten tribes from the land of the north
3. Elijah the prophet
4. Elias the translation error of KJV
This four can be mistook with Jehovah and Elohim...
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
yeah I'm sticking with 14 years old.
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
I know why Darth is asking how old Joseph was at the time of the First Vision. He is laying a trap to accuse
Joseph of engaging in underage prophecy. Well it won't work!!! The age of prophecy was much younger back
then and any argument to the contrary is just and exercise in presentism.
14 year olds where more mature due to the rigors of frontier life, and if they misbehaved their Pa would take them out
behind the barn and apply a switch to their behinds.
Joseph of engaging in underage prophecy. Well it won't work!!! The age of prophecy was much younger back
then and any argument to the contrary is just and exercise in presentism.
14 year olds where more mature due to the rigors of frontier life, and if they misbehaved their Pa would take them out
behind the barn and apply a switch to their behinds.
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?v ... 82620a____
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith%2 ... e_provided
I don't know about any of you, but if God Himself and Jesus ****in' Christ showed up during my Freshman year of High School you better damn well believe I could remember my own age... And I was only fair at Algebra and Geometry (Trig was my undoing)!
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http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith%2 ... e_provided
It is perfectly understandable that since Joseph Smith possessed meager math skills his dating schemes were slightly off when he recorded his reminiscences of the past, many years after-the-fact. There is nothing nefarious in Joseph Smith correcting his own slight mathematical miscalculations. Once the date of the First Vision was correctly established it remained steady throughout many subsequent recitals.
I don't know about any of you, but if God Himself and Jesus ****in' Christ showed up during my Freshman year of High School you better damn well believe I could remember my own age... And I was only fair at Algebra and Geometry (Trig was my undoing)!
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
I am officially the 14-yr old Joseph Smith apologist.
He was 14 when the FV happened!
Bring it on!
He was 14 when the FV happened!
Bring it on!
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Re: How old was Joseph Smith when the First Vision happened?
7 I was at this time in my fifteenth year...
zeezrom wrote:If you start counting your first year at birth where age 0-1 is your "first year", wouldn't this make your "fifteenth year" age 14-15 (14-14.999)?
That assumes Joseph is reckoning that way. He may have been trying for a more eloquent locution for "fifteen years old."