Momentary Hope for Straight Conservatives?

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Momentary Hope for Straight Conservatives?

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The Supremes will not consider a DOMA ruling till Monday. Not too late to slip in some earnest prayers in the meantime and ask God to send the Supremes a state of stupor rather than bosom burning.
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Re: Momentary Hope for Straight Conservatives?

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The Supreme Court will probably rule DOMA Unconstitutional.
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Brackite wrote:The Supreme Court will probably rule DOMA Unconstitutional.

Everything's unconstitutional, or constitutional...today, and unconstitutional or constitutional...tomorrow.

Its a "living" constitution, remember?
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Droopy wrote:Everything's unconstitutional, or constitutional...today, and unconstitutional or constitutional...tomorrow.

Its a "living" constitution, remember?


Following Droopy's remarks on constitutional law, we will be interviewing an orangutan to get his opinion on the latest research in neuroscience.
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Donkeypunch wrote:
Droopy wrote:Everything's unconstitutional, or constitutional...today, and unconstitutional or constitutional...tomorrow.

Its a "living" constitution, remember?


Following Droopy's remarks on constitutional law, we will be interviewing an orangutan to get his opinion on the latest research in neuroscience.


This is the Left's understanding of the constitution itself, not mine.
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Droopy wrote:This is the Left's understanding of the constitution itself, not mine.


Droopy, you don't understand what a living constitution means, you don't understand anything about constitutional construction, you have never read a Supreme Court case, and you have no substantive knowledge about the things you babble about. You are just parroting what the Heritage Foundation and AM radio tell you are the lines of demarcation for good and evil, even though you don't understand what those lines actually mean.
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Just for fun, Droopy, suppose you articulate in your own words what the two primary challenges to the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act are, and what the constitutional bases for each of those issues are.
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There are plenty of left/liberal orginalists and textualists (especially the latter). These are apolitical modes of constitutional interpretation after all. All this means either Droopy is going to mistakenly declare them not to be leftists or greatly confuse schools of constitutional interpretation based on his cursory reading of rightwing blogs. The only question is how many stupid and/or misinformed things he's going to say before he adopts his head in the sand technique of declaring those pointing out his ignorance as lacking the moral or intellectual sophistication to handle him.
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Darth J wrote:Droopy, you don't understand what a living constitution means,


Yes I do. It means that the meaning of any given statement or proposition in the constitution can change every day. It means that judges, not the original text and context of the constitution, decide what any specific provision therein means based upon the political currents and ideological fashions of the particular moment.

you don't understand anything about constitutional construction,


Neither, apparently, do you, given your posting history.

you have never read a Supreme Court case, and you have no substantive knowledge about the things you babble about. You are just parroting what the Heritage Foundation and AM radio tell you are the lines of demarcation for good and evil, even though you don't understand what those lines actually mean.


Go let Calgon take you away in a bath of liquid nitrogen for a while, Darth, at least long enough to calm the savage anti-Mormon, anti-religious, anti-liberal, anti-Christ, immoralist beast within.

You know, without the Church to love to hate, I'm not sure you'd even have a life at all, Darth. Playing the lawsuit lottery may line your pockets quite nicely, but it can hardly be thought of as profound or meaningful.
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EAllusion wrote:There are plenty of left/liberal orginalists and textualists (especially the latter). These are apolitical modes of constitutional interpretation after all.


As you continue to pretend behind an anonymous moniker that you are some kind of "libertarian," let alone a serious political or philosophical thinker (apolitical? The really megalithic, provocative whoppers are still the best, D) you may want to adjust your cheesy rubber monster suit just to make sure the zipper isn't showing.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
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