Robert Ritner's Decimation of Mormon Egyptology

[_Kishkumen]

Hey, Hasa-

I think it may well be the case that Smith believed he saw a resurrected American Hebrew. I don't know for certain. There is some evidence to suggest he exaggerated or augmented such claims later to bolster his position. I am open to various possibilities.

As for the discussion, I am happy about questions and discussion. I think it is regrettable that the Church has failed to engage these issues effectively. I don't really blame them anymore. My grandparents never learned to program the clock on their VCR before they died. The LDS Church is run by grandpa, and he can't keep up as well as the grandkids are demanding.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. Can the Church salvage the situation without a huge brain-drain? The Swedish case really makes me wonder.

[_thews]

Hey, Hasa-

I think it may well be the case that Smith believed he saw a resurrected American Hebrew. I don't know for certain. There is some evidence to suggest he exaggerated or augmented such claims later to bolster his position. I am open to various possibilities.

As for the discussion, I am happy about questions and discussion. I think it is regrettable that the Church has failed to engage these issues effectively. I don't really blame them anymore. My grandparents never learned to program the clock on their VCR before they died. The LDS Church is run by grandpa, and he can't keep up as well as the grandkids are demanding.

It will be interesting to see what happens here. Can the Church salvage the situation without a huge brain-drain? The Swedish case really makes me wonder.

As you continue to dump layers of BS in response to questions asked, where you fail is painting the ruse that you are on the fence regarding Joseph Smith's truth claims. Joseph Smith was a liar and charlatan, which is more than "some evidence" suggests, as the evidence is overwhelming that Joseph Smith concocted the entire Mormon religion for personal gain.

Whatever your agenda is, it's obvious you champion the false hope that Joseph Smith's truth claims are actually true, and placing belief in them is not delusional.

Question to Kishkumen: Is it delusional to place belief in something that can be proven false with factual data?

[_Maksutov]

The LDS Church is run by grandpa, and he can't keep up as well as the grandkids are demanding.

Watch it there, whippersnapper. Grandpas aren't what they used to be.

[_Blixa]

The LDS Church is run by grandpa, and he can't keep up as well as the grandkids are demanding.

Watch it there, whippersnapper. Grandpas aren't what they used to be.

I know, I know. I still think Kish's metaphor isn't bad, though. Of course I'm not exactly pinning my hopes on a generational shift, either. This didn't need to happen and handling things better should have started a long time ago, like say around 1972.

[_Tom]

How does a journal's peer review process operate when the journal's editor submits a manuscript to the same journal for publication? (I acknowledge that Gee's manuscripts may have been reviewed and accepted for publication before he began serving as editor.)

Hmmm.

Well, I wouldn't submit an article to a journal of which I was editor. I don't know the professional ethics regarding this. Maybe this is not unusual for the JSSEA. My sense is that it would be best not to do such a thing. For one thing, it raises questions about the peer review process to which the articles in question were subjected. An editor could choose favorable readers and then in a split opinion (one reader likes it, the other does not), the editor could decide in his own favor.

Also, it seems to me to be bad form for an editor to fill slots with his own pieces, when the expectation is that the editor is performing a service for other scholars seeking publication. It could be the case, however, that there were insufficient submissions to fill the journal.

John Gee has weighed in regarding the value of peer review, quoting from the abstract of an article published 30 years ago to suggest that "getting published in a peer-reviewed journal is less about quality and more about luck."

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[_Kishkumen]

John Gee has weighed in regarding the value of peer review, quoting from the abstract of an article published 30 years ago to suggest that "getting published in a peer-reviewed journal is less about quality and more about luck."

I guess he thinks Ritner is one lucky guy.

[_Kevin Graham]

"...getting published in a peer-reviewed journal is less about quality and more about luck."- John Gee

ROFL!

Well, there you have it Kish. Straight from the horse's mouth.