Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/ ... trial.html



George Zimmerman will be found not guilty if his attorney connects the dots in his closing argument and the jury is fair. Then the professional race-baiters can go to work spreading disharmony. The trial concerns whether Hispanic (Peruvian) Zimmerman was acting in self-defense when he shot Martin, whom we are constantly reminded happens to be Black.

Eight simple facts make it very easy to understand the now-famous murder trial of George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin unfolding in Sanford, Florida. Finding the truth doesn't require all the subjective testimony and opinion dominating the trial:

(1) It had been raining, so the grass was wet. The shooting occurred at the edge of the sidewalk on the grass.

(2) The back of George Zimmerman's clothes were wet and "flecked" with grass, a police officer who investigated at the scene testified, as if he had been lying on his back in wet grass.

(3) The knees in Trayvon Martin's jeans were stained, Medical Examiner Shiping Bao testified, as if Martin had been kneeling in the wet grass.

(4) The gun that killed Trayvon Martin was in direct contact with Martin's clothing when he was shot, according to the expert analysis and testimony of Florida Department of Law Enforcement firearm's expert Amy Siewert. She testified that the tear patterns in the cloth show a "contact shot" into the clothing.

(5) But the gun that killed Martin was at least 0.4 inches and up to 4 feet away from Martin's skin when Martin was shot, according to the expert analysis and testimony of Medical Examiner (coroner) Shiping Bao. He testified that the gunshot wound and condition of the skin show it was not a "contact shot" with respect to Martin's skin.

Therefore, Martin's clothing was not up against his body. Martin's clothing was hanging some distance away from his skin when the gun was fired. Martin's clothing was hanging downward from his body by the force of gravity when the gun was fired.

That is, Martin was leaning over Zimmerman. Martin was attacking Zimmerman and was on top of him. His clothing was hanging down, away from his body.

(6) A neighbor, Jonathan Good, testified that he saw Trayvon Martin kneeling on top of George Zimmerman in the wet grass and on the edge of the sidewalk, pounding Zimmerman with his fists.

Other witnesses testified that they thought they saw Zimmerman straddling on top of Martin as the men struggled in the grass next to a sidewalk, but were less certain. The reason they were unclear is because they did not know either of the young men at the time.

(7) Zimmerman suffered many very obvious cuts and bruises, especially on the back of his head, while Martin's body showed no injuries except on his hands.

(8) However, Trayvon Martin is Black and the liberal media is overwhelmingly racist, meaning that most journalists are obsessed with people's race and view and understand everything in terms of what color the person involved happens to be. This case would never have seen the inside of a courtroom except for the inherent racism of the news media.

There is only one possibility: Trayvon Martin was kneeling over George Zimmerman from above him, so that Martin's clothing was hanging down by the effect of gravity away from his body. When Zimmerman held up his gun, Martin's clothing fell down due to gravity and rested against the end of the gun. So his clothing was in direct contact with the muzzle when the gun was fired. But Martin's chest was an inch or two away from the gun. So Martin's clothes were a couple of inches from Martin's chest.

If George Zimmerman had been straddled on top of Trayvon Martin, with Martin lying on his back, Martin's clothing would fall down flat against the skin of his chest. So then both his clothing and skin would have been together in direct contact with the muzzle of the gun. The only way that Martin's clothing could be in contact with the gun yet not the skin of his body is if the clothing was hanging downward from his body under the influence of gravity.

Therefore, clearly Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman pounding Zimmerman with his fists, and pinning Zimmerman beneath him. At the moment the gun was fired, Zimmerman was underneath Martin, afraid for his life or of bodily injury.

Yet, overall, legal observers were baffled: What were Sanford, Florida, prosecutors thinking? Prosecutors kept calling witness after witness proving Defendant Zimmerman not guilty. Now, any lawyer can suffer an unpleasant surprise. But here we had a parade of one prosecution witness after another mostly helping the defense.

Only one explanation makes sense to this attorney: the prosecutors are resolving an ethical dilemma. The prosecutors know (according to this theory) that the State of Florida does not have a viable case against George Zimmerman. Yet prosecutors also knew that many people believe the shooting was racism. They knew there would be racial trauma or even riots if prosecutors just dropped the case.

So how can a prosecutor handle this? Only one way: lay all the cards on the table. Let the jury sort it out. Prosecutors are throwing everything on the table indiscriminately. That approach makes sense if prosecutors aren't convinced that Zimmerman is guilty. Then the public will understand why when the jury acquits.

However, the prosecutors do have to put on a good impression of trying to get a conviction. An attorney representing a client has a duty to represent his client (here, the State). Yet an attorney representing the State also has a duty to achieve justice.

So what really happened? It is offensive and outrageous for anyone to try to learn some greater lesson about Black people if one Black person commits a crime. It is equally offensive and outrageous to try to make some larger point about White people if a Peruvian Hispanic shoots a Black teenager, whether it actually was in self defense or even if it was murder.

Perhaps Zimmerman and Martin were each victims of the inherent racism of liberal opinion-leaders and the media. Raised to distrust each other by a race-obsessed official culture, both Zimmerman and Martin pursued reckless, dangerous and foolish paths careening toward needless confrontation.

Macho brinkmanship went horribly wrong. At the final moment ending in out-of-control violence, Zimmerman felt his life was in danger. But the mutual mistrust, fear, negative assumptions about the other, miscalculation and poor judgment that led to the clash caused a tragedy.

Zimmerman was overly-paranoid about criminal elements overrunning his neighborhood. Martin had to prove his gangsta street "cred" by standing up to the "creepy a@* [white] cracker." We need to find hip-hop and rap, violent movies, violent video games, and liberal journalists guilty as charged.


It should also be noted that Zimmerman's nose was broken, hardly a "minor" injury as some here have attempted to pass off as serious thinking about this case.
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Re: Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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So again, I ask, why did GZ lie about knowing about SYG? Why did GZ say he was near his truck when TM attacked him, when the evidence shows they were nowhere near the truck? How did TM see the black gun, in a black internal holster, hidden in GZ's waistband behind his back? How did GZ get out from under TM and yet leave the body face down, hands under the body?
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Moral of the story: if you want to murder somebody, all you have to do in Florida is provoke them to the point that they throw a punch at you. Then you shoot them and claim it was self defense.
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Droopy wrote:It should also be noted that Zimmerman's nose was broken, hardly a "minor" injury as some here have attempted to pass off as serious thinking about this case.

I don't think this has any significant bearing on the case as a whole, but from the realm of "anecdotes are worth as much as a fart in the wind":

In my (embarrassingly not as limited as I'd like) experience, it doesn't take a lot of force to break a nose -- the blow just has to hit the right place at the right angle.
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Re: Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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Here is the song that jumps into my head whenever I contemplate this case...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUNXA3srhYI

Someone lights a cigarette
While riding in a car
Some ol' guy takes a swig
And passes back the jar
But where they were last night
No-one can remember
Somebody got murdered
Goodbye, for keeps, forever

Somebody got murdered
Somebody's dead forever

And you're minding your own business
Carrying spare change
You wouldn't cosh a barber
You're hungry all the same
I been very tempted
To grab it from the till
I been very hungry
But not enough to kill

Somebody got murdered
His name cannot be found
A small stain on the pavement
They'll scrub it off the ground
As the daily crowd disperses
No-one says that much
Somebody got murdered
And it' left me with a touch

Somebody got murdered
Somebody's dead forever
Sounds like murder!
Those shouts!
Are they drunk down below?
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Re: Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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From HLN:

Zimmerman: I will not testify, defense rests

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George Zimmerman told Judge Debra Nelson on Wednesday that he will not testify in his own defense. He had said earlier in the day that he needed more time to make his decision.

Nelson ruled Wednesday that jurors will not see Trayvon Martin's text messages, which purportedly show he had been in fights and was trying to purchase a gun.

Nelson also ruled that the defense’s 3D re-creation of the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin will not be allowed in as evidence, but the jury will be able to view it as a demonstration.

“One of the big points about the animation only coming in as demonstrative evidence is that the jury cannot take it back to the deliberation room to study, look at it over and over etc. They will only see it in court,” said HLN's Jean Casarez.

After Nelson made her rulings, testimony resumed with the defense calling Dennis Root, a former police officer and force expert, to the stand.

"Based on the injuries depicted in the photographs, they were consistent with a fight, a physical fist fight," said Root, who has extensive training with hand-to-hand combat and firearms.

Root estimated the fight between Zimmerman and Martin lasted for at least 40 seconds.

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I thought Root was a mistake. He obviously pontificated on stuff he had no right to pontificate on. He testified that TM would physically best GZ knowing NOTHING about TM other than he was a black teenage boy. WTF? Even more, he may have opened the door to the prosecution bringing in GZ's past violent history when he said GZ wasn't a confrontational type of guy.
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Analytics wrote:Moral of the story: if you want to murder somebody, all you have to do in Florida is provoke them to the point that they throw a punch at you. Then you shoot them and claim it was self defense.


Daily Mail wrote:A jury in Florida has acquitted a 70-year-old Vietnam War veteran accused of shooting dead an actor half his age whom he caught having sex with his wife in the couple’s home.

It took the jurors two hours Thursday to clear retired Lt. Col. Ralph Wald of second-degree murder charges in the March 10 slaying of 32-year-old Walter Conley.

Prosecutors said Wald heard his wife, 41-year-old Johnna Lynn Flores, and Conley having sex in the living room of their Brandon home, grabbed a gun and shot the actor three times, killing him.

The 70-year-old man, however, claimed self-defense, saying that he thought his wife was being raped.

Wald's attorney, Joe Episcopo, has built his defense around Florida 'stand your ground ' law, which says that a homeowner has no obligation to retreat when faced with an intruder on his property.
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Re: Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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beastie wrote:So again, I ask, why did GZ lie about knowing about SYG? Why did GZ say he was near his truck when TM attacked him, when the evidence shows they were nowhere near the truck? How did TM see the black gun, in a black internal holster, hidden in GZ's waistband behind his back? How did GZ get out from under TM and yet leave the body face down, hands under the body?


Analytics wrote:Moral of the story: if you want to murder somebody, all you have to do in Florida is provoke them to the point that they throw a punch at you. Then you shoot them and claim it was self defense.



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Re: Zimmerman's Pointless Trial

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Since it's so clear and obvious what happened with the Martin killing that even conducting a trial is ridiculous, droopy, then it will be very easy for you to answer these two simple questions.

1. Why did GZ lie about whether or not he had even HEARD of Stand Your Ground?
2. GZ claimed that TM saw his gun when TM was straddling him while suffocating him, beating his head into the pavement, and restraining his arms. How did TM see a black gun kept in a black internal holster hidden in the waistband of the BACK of GZ's pants on a dark rainy night while he was sitting atop of GZ, pinning him to the ground, with GZ's back to the ground?
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