Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
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Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
I've read some comments by posters here that lead me to wonder if they are denying Trayvon the right to feel afraid of the man who was following him for no apparent reason. I haven't seen any of these posters directly address that issue, so I'm inviting them to do so here.
Did Trayvon have a right to feel afraid of the man following him for no apparent reason?
Did Trayvon have a right to feel afraid of the man following him for no apparent reason?
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Well let's see....
1. According to the facts of the case Trayvon was well able to be home for a LONG time given the distance, time, etc. thus, if he was "worried", he had little cause to be further so, because he could have been home safe with no problem.
2. Trayvon was 6'3 compared to Zimmerman who was 5'7 and a 17 year old of that size isn't exactly and generally a "wimp" by that age.
3. If you had watched my "lynching" video post, you would know that Trayvon was a violent and well capable individual.
Thus, all the facts and more clearly indicate that Trayvon wasn't "afraid" of anything or anyone.
He was a bad ass, who didn't like someone checking him out and so he confronted Zimmerman and beat him up for simply looking at him.
Sure, Trayvon had a "right"..... But that's simply not the facts.
And further, Trayvon chose to beat the crap out of Zimmerman simply because he didn't like him, thus he had a right to suffer the consequences of that choice. Normal people would have at least found out what Zimmerman was doing and told him to leave him alone or would have called 9/11, he had a phone if he was really afraid.
Every fact shows Trayvon as the aggressor, not Zimmerman. Thus, your question is a straw-man.
It's not that complicated. We sympathize for someone's death. But Trayvon chose to use violent force against Zimmerman, and thus Zimmerman had every right to use violent force back as he was able. Being clearly over-whelmed physically, his only option was a gun to preserve his life and person. No person has an "obligation" to be beat on if they didn't choose it. So, trying to claim it was a "fist fight" is bull pucky!
1. According to the facts of the case Trayvon was well able to be home for a LONG time given the distance, time, etc. thus, if he was "worried", he had little cause to be further so, because he could have been home safe with no problem.
2. Trayvon was 6'3 compared to Zimmerman who was 5'7 and a 17 year old of that size isn't exactly and generally a "wimp" by that age.
3. If you had watched my "lynching" video post, you would know that Trayvon was a violent and well capable individual.
Thus, all the facts and more clearly indicate that Trayvon wasn't "afraid" of anything or anyone.
He was a bad ass, who didn't like someone checking him out and so he confronted Zimmerman and beat him up for simply looking at him.
Sure, Trayvon had a "right"..... But that's simply not the facts.
And further, Trayvon chose to beat the crap out of Zimmerman simply because he didn't like him, thus he had a right to suffer the consequences of that choice. Normal people would have at least found out what Zimmerman was doing and told him to leave him alone or would have called 9/11, he had a phone if he was really afraid.
Every fact shows Trayvon as the aggressor, not Zimmerman. Thus, your question is a straw-man.
It's not that complicated. We sympathize for someone's death. But Trayvon chose to use violent force against Zimmerman, and thus Zimmerman had every right to use violent force back as he was able. Being clearly over-whelmed physically, his only option was a gun to preserve his life and person. No person has an "obligation" to be beat on if they didn't choose it. So, trying to claim it was a "fist fight" is bull pucky!
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
beastie wrote:I've read some comments by posters here that lead me to wonder if they are denying Trayvon the right to feel afraid of the man who was following him for no apparent reason. I haven't seen any of these posters directly address that issue, so I'm inviting them to do so here.
Did Trayvon have a right to feel afraid of the man following him for no apparent reason?
Its over. The rule of law and the constitution won the day. You and those like you lost this time (for once). Boo hoo. Your steel-trap ideological prism, having removed your ability to analyze, scrutinize, reason, and inspect evidence, facts, and argument carefully and logically and to think critically about them, recused you, as it did millions of other no-information citizens, from serious discourse on the Trayvon Martin case, just as it has essentially isolated you from serious intellectual consideration on any subject worth going to the cultural mat over.
Look, the case is over. The verdict was as it only could have been if the system was working. The riots/flash mobs have begun, Jesse Jackson is working to bring the U.N. to bear against Zimmerman, Eric Gotti is preparing to sic the Justice Department on him, a substantial portion of black America is retreating from the common culture and sealing itself off in a hermetic tribal otherculture hostile to anything other than it, while white leftists in desperate need of moral validation sink their fangs into the twitching corpse of what was once a democratic republic and drain its remaining lifeblood so they can morally preen themselves before their peers among the Anointed.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Did Trayvon have a right to feel afraid of the man following him for no apparent reason?
Did he have a right to ambush and assault George Zimmerman? I've walked in some very bad neighborhoods, even at night, and have felt very afraid. But I never assaulted the people who were also out walking, for whatever reason, even though they were the ones making me feel afraid.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
So, reading between the lines, the answer is "no, Trayvon didn't have the right to be afraid." Just guessing, cuz droopy and bcspace won't directly answer the question. (I know ldsfaq said something, but I have him on ignore).
I think you both have children, although I may be wrong about Droopy. If your seventeen year old son were being followed by an adult he thought looked creepy, do you think that your son might feel just a twinge or two of fear?
I think you both have children, although I may be wrong about Droopy. If your seventeen year old son were being followed by an adult he thought looked creepy, do you think that your son might feel just a twinge or two of fear?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Droopy wrote:
Its over. The rule of law and the constitution won the day.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Of course the little thuglet had a right to feel afraid.
He just didn't have the right to beat the crap out some "Cracker". <- Irony alert.
Can't you even concede this one point?
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He just didn't have the right to beat the crap out some "Cracker". <- Irony alert.
Can't you even concede this one point?
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
I'd suggest that violence isn't the answer. I'd convict somebody for "beating the crap" out of somebody just as soon as I'd convict somebody of killing somebody with a gun. That said, the advantage of shooting somebody as opposed to only "beating the crap" out of them is that you don't have the inconvenience of the jurry hearing the victim's side of the story.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Uh. Yeah.
That's why SYG exists so you can hear the victim rather than the thug after an assault.
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That's why SYG exists so you can hear the victim rather than the thug after an assault.
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Re: Did TM have a right to feel afraid?
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Uh. Yeah.
That's why SYG exists so you can hear the victim rather than the thug after an assault.
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Or at least the thug claiming he's the victim.