Fluoride Paranoia: Right and Left

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Fluoride Paranoia: Right and Left

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Tonight I spent the evening with my favorite black comedy, Dr. Strangelove. The antagonist is paranoid Brigadier General Jack Ripper, who directs his air wing to launch an attack against the Soviet Union in retaliation for 'the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.'. This was the invention of screenplay writers Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern, satirizing the John Birch Society position that fluoridation of water was a communist plot.

If it was a plot, it was spectacularly unsuccessful. As the CDC has noted, "The weight of the peer-reviewed scientific evidence does not support an association between water fluoridation and any adverse health effect or systemic disorder".

So it can be very instructive to look at the fluoride debate less as an issue about science and more of a Rorschach test for how much you trust the government. In the 50's and 60's the danger of fluoridation was a right wing cause. In the 80's and 90's, when Republicans were in the ascendancy, fluoridation became an issue for left wing environmentalists.

Now that many people on the right feel increasingly disenfranchised as the nation marches demographically away, the paranoia has shifted back again to the right. Fluoridation has become an issue in some Tea Party circles.

Why have both the left and right's anti-fluoride opposition waxed and waned at different times? It seems that one of the major determining factors is each group's level of comfort and trust with the government at the time.

So it follows that we should recognize that a dynamic created by a perceived lack of power (and conversely, a dynamic created by NOT being excluded) could be a major influence in political positions. And that means that power, rather than reason, can drive many of our political responses.

We spend a lot of time arguing about the perceived rational merits of political positions, without examining the underlying power dynamics that influence the positions we select.

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In any case, if you've never seen it, check out Dr. Strangelove. Peter Sellers is brilliant.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Tonight I spent the evening with my favorite black comedy, Dr. Strangelove.
In any case, if you've never seen it, check out Dr. Strangelove. Peter Sellers is brilliant.
I watched Dr. Strangelove again a few weeks ago. Excellent, excellent film. Peter Sellers is indeed brilliant, as are George C. Scott and several others.

(Did you know Sellers was also intended to play the role ultimately given to Slim Pickens? Apparently he couldn't quite get the accent. It's difficult for me to imagine Dr. Strangelove without Slim Pickens!)
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Bret Ripley wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:Tonight I spent the evening with my favorite black comedy, Dr. Strangelove.
In any case, if you've never seen it, check out Dr. Strangelove. Peter Sellers is brilliant.
I watched Dr. Strangelove again a few weeks ago. Excellent, excellent film. Peter Sellers is indeed brilliant, as are George C. Scott and several others.

(Did you know Sellers was also intended to play the role ultimately given to Slim Pickens? Apparently he couldn't quite get the accent. It's difficult for me to imagine Dr. Strangelove without Slim Pickens!)

Sellers had a lot of misgivings about having enough stamina to play 4 parts. Screenwriter and native Texan Terry Southern tried coaching his accent, but apparently Sellers never felt comfortable. And I certainly agree that Slim Pickens's portrayal of Major Kong is the best role of his career.

To me the most amazing thing about Dr. Strangelove is that it was originally based on a serious nuclear suspense thriller ('Red Alert') by Peter George. Kubrick bought the rights for $3,500 and was adapting the novel with the author as a nuclear nightmare film tentatively titled 'Edge of Doom', much like Failsafe (for which Peter George was an uncredited writer). All of this was being written against the real life background of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Writing late into the night, the collaborators began to get punch drunk, and started to imagine scenarios where people in the war room got hungry. Would they send out to the local deli? Chinese food, maybe? Eventually Peter George left the project and Kubrick, along with screenwriter Terry Southern, re-imagined the film as a black comedy about Armageddon.

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Thanks, MDO. Most of that was new to me. Interesting stuff.
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I grew up with fluoride in the water and still have no cavities. My wife kids did not grow up that way and have numerous cavities. Genetics could certainly be involved though.
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Fluoridation has always been primarily a left issue....

Those who are on the right who believe this are really those who are left in this issue, and it's those like Alex Jones nuts, libertarians. Also known as Neo-conservatives. Though, they try to falsely call us that. We aren't the ones with the liberal nut views however, so the name doesn't fit.
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The John Birch Society once went door to door in Utah back in the 1960s warning that the fluoridation of our drinking water lead to communism.

These tea partiers are their grandkids. You can tell by their matching dentures.
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Let me point out however, that I'm against ANY government intrusion (that interferes with life).

I think fluoridation of the water is a step over bounds, so in that sense yes it would be a "right" issue.

I mean really. Why are we putting a chemical in the water that doesn't belong there in the first place, and has never been there?
There's certainly likely some long term consequences of this.

I also don't think "Pools" should have chlorine in them. As a kid, it wasn't a big deal, but now I can't stand breathing and that chemical being sucked into my body. I think they should use other methods to keep water "basic" clean. I say basic because people swam in lakes and rivers for years that are basic clean but obviously not entirely and no one was hurt by it.
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