Post on Mormon Feminist housewives upsets "male allies"

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I'll settle for striving to be a decent human being, and I bet that will cover my bases.

Sorry, Professor. Your CISgender privilege is showing. It's not about you.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

To answer that, I'd ask what the intent of the proposed law might be. Specifically.

Fair enough. I didn't have anything specific in mind.

by the way, I really do appreciate the extended conversation. It helps me think through what I find to be interesting and complex issues.

One difference between the two laws I singled out is in how they evaluate equality.

In the New Mexico case, the laws look at the staff and pay structure within companies that wish to do business with the State using metrics that actually measure equality. Are there pay differences at each staff level, or a lack of diversity at the management levels of the company? Any company could meet those requirements and achieving them results in a greater level of equality between men and women, as well as other groups.

The federal law, OTOH, looks at the system broadly and tries to influence the number of company owners who are women or minorities. The metrics used do not result in an evaluation of equality, and in the case of engineering and architectural design has resulted in many associated disciplines becoming the "women's work" side of the business. It also does nothing to foster equality within the company, either. It's almost as if someone assumed a woman-owned business was all that was needed to fix the problem, which is hardly supported by the evidence. Turns out, women in power are as diverse as men with mixed results.

So when I speak of targeted solutions, I mean ones that create mechanisms or metrics that do not assume creating space for women broadly will fix the problems. By focusing on equality as the goal, the New Mexico laws seem to be doing what the federal laws might have been intended to accomplish but do not. My belief is that having the goal of fostering and increasing equality led to better questions being asked, solutions being proposed and tried, with better results. Focusing on changing a male-dominated industry by creating space for women and minorities led to the flawed questions, solutions, and trials. The slight nuance between the two approaches had large impacts on the disparity between the results.

I recently heard an interview with one of the men who was in prison with Nelson Mandela, and of how adamant they were following the end of apartheid that forgiveness was necessary for them to be successful. His point being that after demanding equality for decades how could they then turn around and act as if it was their turn to oppress their former oppressors? With the New Mexico law, I think we see something of a similar spirit.\

By targeted, I don't mean retributionary. More like focusing on actual, known, and understandable problems that are observed to be occurring in companies and at the individual level.

[_Res Ipsa]

Thanks for the extra information. I understand what you mean now.

[_Hasa Diga Eebowai]

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