Brad Hudson wrote:Do you think it's okay to touch a woman in a sexual manner without her consent?
Dude. Do you drive a Ferrari in real life? Because you go from 0 to 60 in no time flat.
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Dude. Do you drive a Ferrari in real life? Because you go from 0 to 60 in no time flat.
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Hasa,
I think a couple of your translations are off.
1. Every feminist that I've read or talked to believes that men are harmed by patriarchy.
2. I've never seen a feminist take the position that non-consenual touching is okay. Legally, non consensual touching is assault.
11. It isn't that no feminist cares about men's feelings. It's that, in a women-centered forum, they are generally off topic.
I think a couple of your translations are off.
1. Every feminist that I've read or talked to believes that men are harmed by patriarchy.
2. I've never seen a feminist take the position that non-consenual touching is okay. Legally, non consensual touching is assault.
11. It isn't that no feminist cares about men's feelings. It's that, in a women-centered forum, they are generally off topic.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:Do you think it's okay to touch a woman in a sexual manner without her consent?
Dude. Do you drive a Ferrari in real life? Because you go from 0 to 60 in no time flat.
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Well, the topic was nonconsensual touching, and the examples were of sexual touching. So I'll ask you, do you think it's okay to touch a woman in a sexual manner without her consent?
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Brad Hudson wrote:son of Ishmael wrote:That's odd. That is the exact same thing they told me when I left the church too.
Therefore.....
It was an untrue BS statement then and one now.
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OK. I just read the post and loved it. It is a very good reminder. All of it.
And this was particularly meaningful to me:
Yes. Here is when it is about me: I have to conform to many "male" things in society and look out the window at what women get to do and it is painful to me. I feel like I'm supposed to be a manly man for my kids because of what they hear at school from their friends about how a dad/man should act. I'm supposed to love sports, fix cars, climb financial ladders, wear polo shirts, and discuss politics.
And this was particularly meaningful to me:
So when is it about you? ...
Yes. Here is when it is about me: I have to conform to many "male" things in society and look out the window at what women get to do and it is painful to me. I feel like I'm supposed to be a manly man for my kids because of what they hear at school from their friends about how a dad/man should act. I'm supposed to love sports, fix cars, climb financial ladders, wear polo shirts, and discuss politics.
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son of Ishmael wrote:Brad Hudson wrote:That's odd. That is the exact same thing they told me when I left the church too.
Therefore......
It was an untrue b***s*** statement then and one now.
Do you really think you have listened to the point of understanding and being able to empathize with the OP? I don't mean agree -- but I do mean seeing the issues from her position? We're not talking THE CHURCH. We're about one of your fellow humans. What in the world is wrong with trying to do that?
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zeezrom wrote:OK. I just read the post and loved it. It is a very good reminder. All of it.
And this was particularly meaningful to me:So when is it about you? ...
Yes. Here is when it is about me: I have to conform to many "male" things in society and look out the window at what women get to do and it is painful to me. I feel like I'm supposed to be a manly man for my kids because of what they hear at school from their friends about how a dad/man should act. I'm supposed to love sports, fix cars, climb financial ladders, wear polo shirts, and discuss politics.
May I ask whether you identify as male or female? Or neither?
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I found the tone to be quite off-putting and, while I agree with some of the content, there are a few items in there that irk me.
I am a feminist insofar as I wish to end the harms caused by arbitrary gender norms and think people should feel free to take on any social role as their desires and talents allow. Calling myself a feminist is not a description not benevolently granted to me by female feminists, and I resent any notion that women inherently run feminist thought and advocacy. It's not necessary to marginalize men to advocate on behalf of women. That's sexist and an affront to liberal feminism.
That said, the post isn't the end of the world. You can spend all day reading wackadoodle, repugnant arguments in the feminist blogoverse that are far worse than this either in tone or message. It's an intellectual diverse body of people. It's no trouble to find annoying feminists being annoying.
I am a feminist insofar as I wish to end the harms caused by arbitrary gender norms and think people should feel free to take on any social role as their desires and talents allow. Calling myself a feminist is not a description not benevolently granted to me by female feminists, and I resent any notion that women inherently run feminist thought and advocacy. It's not necessary to marginalize men to advocate on behalf of women. That's sexist and an affront to liberal feminism.
That said, the post isn't the end of the world. You can spend all day reading wackadoodle, repugnant arguments in the feminist blogoverse that are far worse than this either in tone or message. It's an intellectual diverse body of people. It's no trouble to find annoying feminists being annoying.
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