Stop "answering" a question with a question. Just answer my question, yes or no. It's really very simple. Your answer to my question is entirely irrelevant to my answer to your question.bcspace wrote:Are you willing to admit there is no evidence for polyandrous relationships and that the evidence that Joseph Smith sent men out on missions in order to marry their wives is slim to none?I'd be willing to admit that, particularly the older women. But are you willing to admit that Joseph did indeed have sexual intercourse with at least one or more of his plural wives?
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"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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bcspace wrote:You're making progress. How about acknowledging that plural marriage in at least one Biblical case (I'm thinking David) is God authorized?
Of course it was authorized, but can you give us an example in the Bible when it was commanded? The restoration of all things means restoring the commandments and covenants. Where does plural marriage fit into that?
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Huh? Plenty of very 'true blue Mormons' have admitted (and even argued) that Joseph did indeed have sexual intercourse with at least some of his plural wives.
I have no problem with sexual relations within a plural marriage relationship. I've stated that many times before.
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bcspace wrote:You're making progress. How about acknowledging that plural marriage in at least one Biblical case (I'm thinking David) is God authorized?I don't know if "taught" is the best word, but, sure, polygamy is recounted in the Bible.
Sure, I can go along with that. Now, back to my question. Please answer yes or no.
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I wouldn't, since there is evidence for both.
bcspace wrote:Are you willing to admit there is no evidence for polyandrous relationships and that the evidence that Joseph Smith sent men out on missions in order to marry their wives is slim to none?
I wouldn't, since there is evidence for both.
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Finally, some progress. I take your answer to mean that you agree Joseph had sexual intercourse with at least some of his plural wives. Is that a correct characterization?bcspace wrote:I have no problem with sexual relations within a plural marriage relationship. I've stated that many times before.Huh? Plenty of very 'true blue Mormons' have admitted (and even argued) that Joseph did indeed have sexual intercourse with at least some of his plural wives.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Are you willing to admit there is no evidence for polyandrous relationships and that the evidence that Joseph Smith sent men out on missions in order to marry their wives is slim to none?Stop "answering" a question with a question. Just answer my question, yes or no. It's really very simple. Your answer to my question is entirely irrelevant to my answer to your question.
I will continue to answer with questions in this context so those observing can understand the doctrine and the facts of the case in order to combat the yellow journalism that exists in this and other boards.
Are you willing to admit there is no evidence for polyandrous relationships and that the evidence that Joseph Smith sent men out on missions in order to marry their wives is slim to none?I wouldn't, since there is evidence for both.
Then you and I can go no further as there is no evidence for either. Without cohabitation, there is no polyandrous relationship in the sense anti Mormons want the public to believe.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:Finally, some progress. I take your answer to mean that you agree Joseph had sexual intercourse with at least some of his plural wives. Is that a correct characterization?
I'm still waiting for bcspace to provide evidence of celibate, sealing-only marriages.
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Finally, some progress. I take your answer to mean that you agree Joseph had sexual intercourse with at least some of his plural wives. Is that a correct characterization?
Are you willing to admit there is no evidence for polyandrous relationships and that the evidence that Joseph Smith sent men out on missions in order to marry their wives is slim to none?
Machina Sublime
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
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Of course none of this answers whether or not John C Bennett is a faithful source or what he said to the Boston crowd.
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Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.