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_Uncle Ed
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ludwigm wrote:...

Have I something called "consciousness" - as an atheist ...
... in the light of words of Uncle Ed? --- who wrote:The objections of disbelievers in "God" are pointless

Hardly fair to snip off more than half of what I said, and ruin the context entirely: "The objections of disbelievers in "God" are pointless, since those objections all rest on accusations of believers creating "logical fallacies" from which they argue for "God". But to argue against "God" is itself at least as mighty a logical fallacy, based on no more information than that of the believer."

Do you possess more information on "God" than believers do?...
A man should never step a foot into the field,
But have his weapons to hand:
He knows not when he may need arms,
Or what menace meet on the road. - Hávamál 38

Man's joy is in Man. - Hávamál 47
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Re: to " Can we ever know what is real?" (long)

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Uncle Ed wrote:Hardly fair to snip off more than half of what I said, and ruin the context entirely: "The objections of disbelievers in "God" are pointless, since those objections all rest on accusations of believers creating "logical fallacies" from which they argue for "God". But to argue against "God" is itself at least as mighty a logical fallacy, based on no more information than that of the believer." do?
It is nothing to do with fairness. The essence of Your words was: The objections of disbelievers are pointless.
Since this? Because that? I don't care the rest.

Imagine a friendly dialog:
Person A:
- Your opinion doesn't count, because [one clause - or - a five minute blabber]
Person B (without repeating the square bracketed part):
- OK, pal! If my opinion doesn't count for you, then good bye. Don't phone, don't write, and don't ask me to walk your dog.



Uncle Ed wrote:Do you possess more information on "God" than believers do?...
Think of the people who believe that the base material of Moon is green cheese.
Do they possess more information about the Moon, than those who are satisfied with the data collected by moonwalker devices and astronauts?...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: to " Can we ever know what is real?" (long)

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ludwigm wrote:
Uncle Ed wrote:Do you possess more information on "God" than believers do?...

Think of the people who believe that the base material of Moon is green cheese.
Do they possess more information about the Moon, than those who are satisfied with the data collected by moonwalker devices and astronauts?...

That is analogous to WHAT? Are you aware of anyone on planet Earth who has the analogous "dirt" on "God"? I am not....
A man should never step a foot into the field,
But have his weapons to hand:
He knows not when he may need arms,
Or what menace meet on the road. - Hávamál 38

Man's joy is in Man. - Hávamál 47
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