On God and Living Forever

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_keithb
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Re: On God and Living Forever

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Aristotle Smith wrote:When I think of infinity I think of Cantor's transfinite numbers. Since Georg Cantor was able to grasp infinity at a fundamental level, I don't know what you are trying to show/prove. Typing really large numbers into Wolfram alpha to see it give back an error doesn't say much of anything.

Also, since he was fond of using "aleph" and "omega" when working with transfinite numbers, you can bet Cantor saw a religious/theological component to his findings.


Mathematicians have developed tools to deal with the idea of the infinite and the infinitesimal (i.e limits, recursion, epsilon-delta, transfinite numbers, etc.) Being able to deal with a number like 3|||3 (for example being able to take the derivative of the Ackermann function) and being able to "grasp it at a fundamental level" are probably two different things. It's kind of hard to say though because I'm not sure what the objective measure of grasping infinity at a fundamental level would be. I personally can't understand what it's like for something to exist more years than 3|||3 (or Graham's number or BB(Graham's number), even though that's a logical consequence of an infinite god. I personally doubt very much that you are able to either (other than at the level of just shrugging it off internally), but I sincerely congratulate you if you've done better than I have in this area.

I'll go with Cantor on this one.


Fair enough. Newton was also religious. Some smart people are; some aren't.
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_Nightlion
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Re: On God and Living Forever

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The witness of scripture allows us to believe in higher powers not subject to our mundane reality. God will not be made unbelievable.
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_ludwigm
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Re: On God and Living Forever

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Nightlion wrote:The witness of scripture allows us to believe in higher powers not subject to our mundane reality. God will not be made unbelievable.

I have problem with translation of the text above.
Things can not be translated to any other language are nothing to reader.

An example:
Searching GOD in quran sites gives the same result as searching ALLAH.
That means
allah is god
--- or
allah is the only god
--- or
the only god is allah
are senseless expressions...

by the way the quran is senseless, at all...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
_Nightlion
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Re: On God and Living Forever

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ludwigm wrote:
Nightlion wrote:The witness of scripture allows us to believe in higher powers not subject to our mundane reality. God will not be made unbelievable.

I have problem with translation of the text above.
Things can not be translated to any other language are nothing to reader.

An example:
Searching GOD in quran sites gives the same result as searching ALLAH.
That means
allah is god
--- or
allah is the only god
--- or
the only god is allah
are senseless expressions...

by the way the quran is senseless, at all...


Okay, but this is a Mormon site. It's about LDS scripture. Scripture where supernatural things have been chronicled.

Creation
Garden of Eden
Tree of Life
Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil

Cast out and changed to have physical seed conceptions
The change of DNA among 'cursed' peoples
Enoch using faith to wage defensive wars.
Noah and the ark
The great flood

Destruction of the tower of Babel
Confusion of human language
Brother of Jared atop a mountain sees God
Faith of Abraham among the faithless
Abraham's 800 defeat the greatest force on earth at the time
Test of Abraham

Joseph in Egypt
Moses in and out of Egypt
Joshua's invasion of the Holy Land

Lehi's visions and exodus from Jerusalem
DNA change in the Book of Mormon
The miracles of the Bible prophets
Miracles of the Book of Mormon prophets

Miracles of Jesus Christ
Miracles of the apostles
Miracles of the three Nephites

The Restoration scriptures with Joseph Smith

Stuff like that.
The Apocalrock Manifesto and Wonders of Eternity: New Mormon Theology
https://www.docdroid.net/KDt8RNP/the-apocalrock-manifesto.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/IEJ3KJh/wonders-of-eternity-2009.pdf
My YouTube videos:HERE
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