A Sub-Cult Within the Cult

[_EAllusion]

I'm sure the GAs around the world appreciate your generalized and remote psycho-analysis.

We can weep for them. Heavy is the crown of gold they wear. The single mom working in a nursing home as a CNA just doesn't appreciate how hard the people wearing suits that cost more than her car work. If she did, maybe she'd realize she's living high on the hog while the GA's suffer for the children.

[_EAllusion]

Why not look at the president of the United States? Anyone who has a realistic shot of winning the office has the capacity to make far more income doing something else. While the president makes a good income, about 400k per year, this is relatively small compared to what they could be doing. The president also has various expense accounts, access to a mansion, access to the some of the world's finest things in any aspect of life, from food to clothing to medical care to transportation, to art, etc. All of that, however, is minor compared to the real draw, which is the sheer power and status of the office. That is worth far more than any other aspect of the job many times over. Indeed, the office of the presidency currently costs over a billion dollars to obtain.

This clearly is worth it to people who could be making more money doing something else. The presidency is obviously a highly demanding job in terms of hours and stress. You can see people get physically wrecked by the job in real time in a way you don't see, for example, with LDS apostles. Despite the work, it still seems like a heck of a value. It's one of the best compensated jobs in the country when you look at the whole picture. Nice work, if you can get it. It's good to be king.

What you describe of GA's Mak, is commonplace for business executives. That's the life of an executive. What I would recommend to you is to not fall in the trap that rich executives often do, which is believe that they really aren't that well compensated when you consider how hard they work. Working hard is the norm in America, not the exception. While we shouldn't say they don't have to work, we also should be aware enough to know that white-collar hard work can be much, much more preferable to blue-collar equivalents. My job is difficult, and I work very hard, but I am self-aware enough to know I'd never voluntarily switch places with my frontline employees. I know, despite my hard work, that I have it relatively good.

[_Markk]

I'm not the one here attacking Christians. Leave me alone. I'll take this stuff to the CC forum and share it over on CARM where it belongs. You can get by on CARM with Ralf who thinks Mormons need more Christians like you (for obvious reasons), but others know what's going on. Now stop stalking me.

I made some points, and provided facts...if I am wrong, then simply show me otherwise, and we can discuss it...ad hom behavior seems to be your MO when you overstep your understanding of an issue. No one is stalking you, you seem to be your worst enemy...do your home work before you write, and you won't be called out or questioned. In an apologetic board when someone says something without a clue of what they are talking about, expect to be called out. Please show me how I am "attacking Christians."

Thanks
Mark

[_Servant]

I'm not the one here attacking Christians. Leave me alone. I'll take this stuff to the CC forum and share it over on CARM where it belongs. You can get by on CARM with Ralf who thinks Mormons need more Christians like you (for obvious reasons), but others know what's going on. Now stop stalking me.

I made some points, and provided facts...if I am wrong, then simply show me otherwise, and we can discuss it...ad hom behavior seems to be your MO when you overstep your understanding of an issue. No one is stalking you, you seem to be your worst enemy...do your home work before you write, and you won't be called out or questioned. In an apologetic board when someone says something without a clue of what they are talking about, expect to be called out. Please show me how I am "attacking Christians."

Thanks
Mark

Mark is on Avoid!

[_Servant]

I'm sure the GAs around the world appreciate your generalized and remote psycho-analysis.

We can weep for them. Heavy is the crown of gold they wear. The single mom working in a nursing home as a CNA just doesn't appreciate how hard the people wearing suits that cost more than her car work. If she did, maybe she'd realize she's living high on the hog while the GA's suffer for the children.

Great points. Or those just getting by told to pay their tithing first: http://www.exmormon.org/Mormon/mormon332.htm

[_Res Ipsa]

Mark is on Avoid![/b]

Hey Mark! Guess What? I'm avoiding you. Hey! Hey! Hey! Pay attention! I'm avoiding you. Hey Mark. Knock Knock! Who's There? No one cuz I'M AVOIDING YOU!!!!.

[_Servant]

And what about the primary responsibility of the GAs, up to and including the 12, is to be obedient? What of the expectation that they'll be available basically 24 hours a day? These are not things that fit well into your conceptualization of their lifestyle.

Sounds like my job. I've yet to receive transportation via private jet or a luxury condo as compensation. Lots of people work hard Mak. Some are better compensated for it than others. Apostles have it good. Hand-waving it as a pittance compared to their work is really insulting to the actual distribution of wealth in this or any country. Their posts are like political offices: modest, if good income, fantastic fringe benefits, and enviable social status and power. It's nice, far nicer than what most people can ever hope to achieve, and not something that is a mere afterthought.

As I said, I don't begrudge the top leadership in a religio-business from drawing good compensation. I just have a problem with it being downplayed or when LDS attempt to contrast their all volunteer clergy with the wicked financial incentives infecting the rest of Christiandom.

I sort of begrudge it when the Mormons pretend they have no paid clergy! And what about the mission Presidents and compensation?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello Ms. Servant,

How much does your Pastor earn, and what are his non-income benefits?

- Doc

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I sort of begrudge it when the Mormons pretend they have no paid clergy! And what about the mission Presidents and compensation?

Does Calvary Chapel ordain women as pastors? If yes, how much is a female pastor normally compensated over the course of her career?

[_Markk]

Mark is on Avoid![/b]

Hey Mark! Guess What? I'm avoiding you. Hey! Hey! Hey! Pay attention! I'm avoiding you. Hey Mark. Knock Knock! Who's There? No one cuz I'M AVOIDING YOU!!!!.

Gotta love it, it doesn't get any better than this.