The Threat of New Order Mormons
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So, Brad, after this "deliverance" did you come to Christ, or join the ranks of Agnostics and Atheists?
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Yes, Lud, the Lord God is YHWH!
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When did Chuck Smith say the world was going to end?
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Servant wrote:Yes, Lud, the Lord God is YHWH!
No LUD, please. I am Ludwig or ludwigm.
And there is no lord, no god, no yhwh.
No nothing.
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Servant wrote:cwald wrote:Many members consider me a NOM.
I participate on the NOM board.
I'm an universalist with pantheist leanings.
I have been univited to participate in the Mormon church by family members.
That's interesting. Aren't Mormons essentially Universalists (Smith's ancestors were)? The pantheist concept is interesting - Christians believe God is Omnipresent, Immanent and also Transcendent. Mormonism limits god to some kind of human body - the Mormon deity being essentially an exalted human being.
So you were "uninvited" to participate in Mormonism. Consider yourself blessed! You might want to research Christianity - what you may have learned about Christianity from Mormon sources is distorted.
I'll pass on the invite to become Christian. Thanks though.
Your brand of Christianity, makes no more sense than Mormonism does. That is what makes this entire thread so pathetically humorous.
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That's interesting. Aren't Mormons essentially Universalists (Smith's ancestors were)?
Is there anything wrong with Christian Universalism??
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Servant wrote:So, Brad, after this "deliverance" did you come to Christ, or join the ranks of Agnostics and Atheists?
For quite a while, I considered myself a Christian. Then a agnostic. Now an atheist.
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beefcalf wrote:zackly, ludwig.
I'm not saying gods cannot (or do not) exist.
It is easy, however, to see that the God of Christianity does not exist as they describe him.
They say he is infinite in his power, infinite in his knowledge and infinite in his goodness. They say he loves each of us. They say he is just.
He created humans. Humans are sometimes evil. Either god intended for us to (sometimes) be evil, in which case he is not infinitely good, or he was not powerful enough to create us fully perfect and we are evil despite his desire that we be purely good, in which case he is not infinitely powerful, or he was powerful enough to create us without evil but lacked the knowledge to do so, making him not infinitely knowledgable.
According to Christians, the finite amount of time we live on earth will earn each of us a reward (or punishment) which is infinite. This is akin to a father telling his 9-year son "You have 2 seconds to clean up this messy room. If it is not clean by the end of those 2 seconds, you will get a spanking that will last 50 years", or a mother telling her daughter "sweetie, if you wash the dishes, I will buy you a brand new Mercedes Benz for each of your next 50 birthdays".
The Christian god as they describe him is incoherent. He doesn't exist.
As a former believing Mormon (many years if I remember correctly) I find it astounding that you are so clueless to its teachings.
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GR33N wrote:beefcalf wrote:zackly, ludwig.
I'm not saying gods cannot (or do not) exist.
It is easy, however, to see that the God of Christianity does not exist as they describe him.
They say he is infinite in his power, infinite in his knowledge and infinite in his goodness. They say he loves each of us. They say he is just.
He created humans. Humans are sometimes evil. Either god intended for us to (sometimes) be evil, in which case he is not infinitely good, or he was not powerful enough to create us fully perfect and we are evil despite his desire that we be purely good, in which case he is not infinitely powerful, or he was powerful enough to create us without evil but lacked the knowledge to do so, making him not infinitely knowledgable.
According to Christians, the finite amount of time we live on earth will earn each of us a reward (or punishment) which is infinite. This is akin to a father telling his 9-year son "You have 2 seconds to clean up this messy room. If it is not clean by the end of those 2 seconds, you will get a spanking that will last 50 years", or a mother telling her daughter "sweetie, if you wash the dishes, I will buy you a brand new Mercedes Benz for each of your next 50 birthdays".
The Christian god as they describe him is incoherent. He doesn't exist.
As a former believing Mormon (many years if I remember correctly) I find it astounding that you are so clueless to its teachings.
How so? I think what beefcalf said is pretty right on. I also don't believe in the Christian (or Mormon) God as described. Instead, I believe God (or gods) may exist, but only in the universe as we understand it today. Magical beings are simply fictitious. While technically advanced, powerful beings are likely to exist in our universe.
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Tobin wrote:GR33N wrote:As a former believing Mormon (many years if I remember correctly) I find it astounding that you are so clueless to its teachings.
How so? I think what beefcalf said is pretty right on. I also don't believe in the Christian (or Mormon) God as described. Instead, I believe God (or gods) may exist, but only in the universe as we understand it today. Magical beings are simply fictitious. While technically advanced, powerful beings are likely to exist in our universe.
Tobin. How many years were you an active believing Mormon?
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