Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
When the customer who had done everything right called to complain that nothing had grown, the operator chided the customer for misunderstanding the nature of the seeds. The customer was mistaken to have considered the seeds to be traditional seeds that grow into vegetables, but rather spiritual seeds, the fruits of which can only be seen with spiritual eyes.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
CameronMO wrote:... I'm thinking Mr/s. Carp is not Spacey. I've been noticing how s/he can quote posters properly.
--- or maybe it is only a good camouflage ---
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
First Presidency Message wrote: “You must follow planting instructions for the seeds to sprout. You can’t set them on the shelf and expect them to grow.”
“These seeds conform to the laws of biology. If you plant the seeds in the morning and expect to eat tomatoes later that week, you will be disappointed. You must be patient and wait for the work of nature to unfold before you.”
“The seed you plant and the time of the planting determine the harvest.”
Sometimes, even when you do everything just right, the seeds produce bitter fruit, or no fruit at all, because the seed purveyor gave you bad seeds.
canpakes wrote:Sometimes, even when you do everything just right, the seeds produce bitter fruit, or no fruit at all, because the seed purveyor gave you bad seeds.
The only seeds the church provides are grass seeds, which grow into grass, eaten by cattle, and turned into BS. That's the full life cycle.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Uchdorf's story / metaphor about the seeds is not new, or the least bit original. It has been around in one form or another for a long time. I remember hearing versions of this when I was a kid.
Perhaps Uchdorf didn't realize that this is an old, old story and metaphor because he is not originally from around here. He might have checked it out a bit more before he embarrassed himself.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
Ensign wrote:If you plant the seeds in the morning and expect to eat tomatoes later that week, you will be disappointed
So much for receiving a witness of the Book of Mormon the same day the Elders leave it with instructions to study three sets of verses and take the Moroni challenge. Uchdork has just thrown Parley P. Pratt and everyone else who received a burning in the bosom shortly after reading the Book of Mormon under the bus.
He's essentially shown the Church to be false.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
DrW wrote:Uchdorf's story / metaphor about the seeds is not new, or the least bit original. It has been around in one form or another for a long time. I remember hearing versions of this when I was a kid.
Matt 13; Mark 4; Luke 8
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. (by the way women excluded from something again...)
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"