Hiding Church History in Plain Sight Faith - Ash

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You know what version(s) of polygamy I've heard from Mormons, Mormon apologists, and the Mormon church?

Every_single_variable except the truth. Even the essays the Church has online minimizes the sheer scope and history of the issue.

V/R
Doc

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[_grindael]

Nope..... You're wrong.
Polygamy was one of the 3 primary issues I once left the Church, you have the same false and ignorant judgment I had.
But I learned more, which is why I know what you state is a little truth used to lie, by omiting other key facts, and thus you create a false narrative and conclusion.

Sorry, you're speaking to the choir, and it's historically entirely false and inaccurate.

You can SAY this all you want, what you lack is evidence. That is all your kind has, opinion and name calling. You are a liar and a fool. But by all means keep posting and making a fool of yourself. Present the facts if you can. But we both know you have nothing but lies to offer.

[_ldsfaqs]

I've already presented the facts, you ignore them, and you have no facts to prove your case.

Joseph practiced the Sealing Ordinance..... there are no "facts" which state he practiced actual Polygamy other than the "rumor mill" of "sex".
Joseph did not live with any of his wives, he clearly didn't have sex with most, especially the married ones. Those are facts.
Emma swore to her death bead Joseph didn't practice Polygamy, that's a fact.

What else do you need?
I'm not going to regurgitate the entire church history for you on the issue to prove my case that you will just ignore anyway.
I've read some 50 books on Polygamy and ALL the churches recorded history. So spare me.

[_I have a question]

he clearly didn't have sex with most, especially the married ones. Those are facts.

What are the facts that support this specific assertion?

In what way, other than having sex with his wives, was Joseph supposed to fulfil the specific purpose that God authorised plural marriage?
(See D&C 132 where it's explicit that Joseph was to use plural marriages for having more children)

[_grindael]

I've already presented the facts, you ignore them, and you have no facts to prove your case.

Joseph practiced the Sealing Ordinance..... there are no "facts" which state he practiced actual Polygamy other than the "rumor mill" of "sex".
Joseph did not live with any of his wives, he clearly didn't have sex with most, especially the married ones. Those are facts.
Emma swore to her death bead Joseph didn't practice Polygamy, that's a fact.

What else do you need?
I'm not going to regurgitate the entire church history for you on the issue to prove my case that you will just ignore anyway.
I've read some 50 books on Polygamy and ALL the churches recorded history. So spare me.

See, I told you that you had nothing to back up your lies with. You have just proven it, ldslies. Just present a cogent argument backed up by scripture/statements by Mormon "authorities". Should be a piece of cake for you. But I (again) bet you won't cause you can't.

[_grindael]

There was so much evidence that Joseph Jr. practiced polygamy that his son told his uncle William to lie about it:

I have long been engaged in removing from Father's memory and from the early church, the stigma and blame thrown upon him because of Polygamy; and have at
last lived to see the cloud rapidly lifting. And I would not consent to see further blame attached, by a blunder now. Therefore, Uncle, bear in mind our standing
today before the world as defenders of Mormonism from Polygamy, and go ahead with your personal recollections. .. . If you are the wise man I think you to be, you
will fail to remember anything [but] referring lofty standard of character at which we esteem these good men. You can do the cause great good; you can injure it by vicious
sayings (Joseph Smith III, to William B. Smith, Letterbook 3; See also J. Smith to William Smith, 12 July 1879, Letterbook 2).

[_huckelberry]

I do not remeber ever thinking polygamy was hidden. Everybody knows Joseph Smith married multiple women.I certainly do not think polygamy is a dirty secret. I grew up proud of our polygamous heritage. I remember learning some women were married for eternity only while some were wives for both time and eternity. I didn't sleep through seminary even if it was early morning.

Huckleberry,

Throughout my upbringing in the Church I was taught that polygamy was instituted during the pioneer treks to simply facilitate the subsistence support for those women and children who had lost the male breadwinner. My significant other has been a member of the Church their whole life. Has gone through all the teaching programmes of the Church as both student and teacher, at both ward and stake level. It was a complete and unpleasant surprise for her to find out, two years ago, that Joseph was a polygamist.

Joseph Smith's polygamy has been systematically hidden for generations.

I Have a Question, It appears your experience is different than mine. I do have a bit of curiosity as to how it is so different. What was your reading of dc132 growing up?. It is clearly written in the voice of Joseph Smith and features polygamy as a prominent subject matter.

It may be a time thing. I last attended LDS services in 1967. Attitudes about teaching young folks about polygamy may have changed.

What did they tell you was the reason Emma stayed east and became instrumental in forming the reorganized church?


I should clarify. There are details and significant ones that I was not taught. I was allowed to picture Joseph as married to a handful of women.

[_malkie]

You know what version(s) of polygamy I've heard from Mormons, Mormon apologists, and the Mormon church?

Every_single_variable except the truth. Even the essays the Church has online minimizes the sheer scope and history of the issue.

V/R
Doc

And wasn't polygamy a grand and glorious doctrine? - before it was obfuscated, that is.

[_malkie]

4. I thought all you anti-mormons weren't taught all these "hidden" things by the Church, and that you became disenfranchized when learning all the dirty secrets the church hid from you???? LOL, can't have it both ways.

I do not recall ever thinking polygamy was hidden. Everybody knows Joseph Smith married multiple women.I certainly do not think polygamy is a dirty secret. I grew up proud of our polygamous heritage. I remember learning some women were married for eternity only while some were wives for both time and eternity. I didn't sleep through seminary even if it was early morning.

Huckleberry,

Throughout my upbringing in the Church I was taught that polygamy was instituted during the pioneer treks to simply facilitate the subsistence support for those women and children who had lost the male breadwinner. My significant other has been a member of the Church their whole life. Has gone through all the teaching programmes of the Church as both student and teacher, at both ward and stake level. It was a complete and unpleasant surprise for her to find out, two years ago, that Joseph was a polygamist.

Joseph Smith's polygamy has been systematically hidden for generations.

My experience exactly.