Elder Bednar: "I am Scripture"

[_ldsfaqs]

Register a sock puppet on this forum with an atheist/anti-Mormon persona, and join in the conversation. This would require you to create posts outlining critical positions and if you were able to win the respect of EA, Dr. W, Darth J, and a few others, then I would be convinced that you really did understand what the positions are in the first place, in order to then proceed to be converted back to the Church.

Just to impress all you highfalutin intellectual types?

Dude, its just not that hard ... he was; in the church and felt good (youth) , left for a while and felt bad (teens), came back and again feels good.

Buzz wrong....

I was an anti-mormon and anti-religion..... which means I had ZERO interest in "feelings". I was only interested in the truth.
Feelings are important, the spirit IS important, but truth is also. One is not at the expense of the other.
I was also perfectly happy if the Church turned out to be false, I had no "investment" into it. I was just fine being a Martial Artist, "Spiritualist" New Ager, doing and beliving my own thing, whatever "felt" good, just like you all do what "feels" good to you. LOL, and you all think you don't base judgments on feelings. haa haa. Let's take "Drinking"..... Anyone with a brain knows it kills brain cells, as well as the body, it's a poison.
Yet, you all do it because it "feels" good, despite the truth and facts against it. Sure, "Wine" CAN have some benefit, but certainly not as much as just eating well. Wine only benefits people who eat a ton fat and carbs which turn to fat, thus it clears the artery's some. Otherwise, wine is only good if water is contaminated. Otherwise, no benefit to alcohol, especially other types. Anyway, that's just one example of things people do which are harmful in some way, but they do it because it feels good.

Mormonism sure feels good to those who are in it. Why not, it does good and creates good, unlike alcohol which does ZERO good, only destroy's lives.

[_Manetho]

Mormonism sure feels good to those who are in it. Why not, it does good and creates good, unlike alcohol which does ZERO good, only destroy's lives.

Except, you know, all the people on this board who left Mormonism because it was making them miserable.

Incidentally, I have never been Mormon, and I never drink.

[_RockSlider]

Buzz wrong....

Ding Ding right ...

So I did get it right the other day that your disaffection was during your teen age years?

How old were you when you left the church?
How old were you when you returned?
How old are you now?

[_EAllusion]

Ldsfaqs was deeply involved in the religion of "some black church" when he was a young child, ergo he has sampled what the world has to offer and has come to the mature conclusion that when he dies he will eventually become an demi-god that rules over a intergalactic empire of planets. This, of course, is so long as he keeps up practicing symbolic cannibalism and wearing spiritual underwear.

[_Lemmie]

Fackso, what were the 5 religions you were active in by the age of 10? what do you define as being active in each of the 5?

Also, no offense son, but the use of apostrophes and plurals is not a fancy part of the written language, it is pretty basic, you would engage your readers much more if you did not distract them with incorrect usage.

1. Born and Baptised Catholic, went to it the most.
Lutheran
Baptist
Some black church
Some random christian/evangelical church, can't remember name.
I also wasn't active in any religion some of that time.
Also, technically it was six religions being active in, including Mormonism first exposed when 7 years old or so, and there were some others I just attended a few times, but not counting those.
Technically I had been in around 10 religions by the age of 10, which is also when I decided to be Baptised into the LDS Church.
My reading the Bible for myself and being exposed to other religions helped me see clearly that religions were man-made, and only when I came upon the LDS Church did a religion actually fit what the Bible actually said.
I also attended other religions many times over the years after being baptized into the LDS Church, as well didn't attend a religion some periods, not only when being anti-mormon and anti-religion. Like I said, moved around a lot, and lived many places and homes.

2. Being regularly active, attending church, going to it's classes, etc. What else would "being active" mean?

3. No offense son, but all my moving around, I didn't "master" some English rules, so when I write, I write according to what's natural in speech and for effect and emphasis.
If there is a pause in explaining something, then I use a comma, or if I need to emphasis a word, then I use quotes. Sorry you don't like it, but it's what things are for, and easy when writing on a forum and not writing a term paper.

4. Your pet peeve is not my problem. I read and read and read, and am not fazed at all by someone's mastery or the lack thereof of English.
Those of us who expose ourselves to other cultures and language speakers are especially not phazed in one iota. Maybe you need to step outside of your box and get out in the world?

wait, you've gone from 5 at age 7 to 10 by the age of 10? You realize that it is meaningless to argue that at age 10 you understood 10 religions, let alone were active in them, without extraordinary proof.

Re: the grammar issue, you have had multiple people here comment on how difficult it is to understand you, and I do not believe that you have interacted with other cultures and languages and have NOT been told you are difficult to understand. Please provide references if you want us to believe that.

Alternatively, if you do not care to communicate at least with this audience then continue your path. Kind of meaningless to go to so much trouble though, when you know in advance your grammar and spelling will alienate people and decrease any attempt at understanding.

[_Gadianton]

Hi faqs,

Why would I need to waste my time pretending to be something I've already been (before the internet by the way)?

I think I explained that. You would show your mastery of the knowledge of that person who you claim to have been. By registering a sock puppet, your identity would be withheld and the participants would judge you fresh from your first contribution.

I've read nearly every anti-mormon book written, and read nearly every anti-mormon website on the internet..... what makes you think it's some sort of "skill" to "regurgitate" the arguments of another?

What makes me think it's some sort of skill to say, study a textbook in school, take a test, and regurgitate the information? Are you really asking this question?

How hard do you think it is to always say the Church is a cult, members are brainwashed zombies, etc. etc.?

Well I don't know! Why don't you register the sock, and start posting about how the Church is a cult and members are brainwashed zombies and see? If you can impress the anti-Mormons here by saying that over and over again, then you win, I lose!

I'll sweeten the deal. If you take this challenge, then I'll take a similar challenge. You pick a forum, perhaps MDDB, LDS freedom forum, or Sic et Non comments, and I will register a sock there, and see if I can gain credibility as an apologist? Surely, a anti-Mormon like me who just says the Church is a cult all the time would never be able to fake being an apologist, since apologists know so much. I would have to show that I'm familiar with apologetic arguments and reasoning to be successful, right? What do you think?

Do we have a deal?

Further, long ago I've already pretended to be a non-member who simply respected the church etc., and it went well

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Of course you did. Just like you read 500 books and (on and on). This isn't about whether you want to do it for the fun, but to show everyone here you are right. Apparently, you're having a tough time convincing people that you know anything. But if you come on as a sock, let loose volley of critical arguments, and you get guys like EA backing you up, then you have undeniable proof that you know what you're talking about by their standards.

[_Jersey Girl]

3. No offense son, but all my moving around, I didn't "master" some English rules, so when I write, I write according to what's natural in speech and for effect and emphasis.
If there is a pause in explaining something, then I use a comma, or if I need to emphasis a word, then I use quotes. Sorry you don't like it, but it's what things are for, and easy when writing on a forum and not writing a term paper.

You spelled 2 different words the same way.

4. Your pet peeve is not my problem. I read and read and read, and am not fazed at all by someone's mastery or the lack thereof of English.
Those of us who expose ourselves to other cultures and language speakers are especially not phazed in one iota. Maybe you need to step outside of your box and get out in the world?

You spelled the same word two different ways.



You intentionally override the autocorrect when it corrects your spelling.

According to what my eyes are seeing, you did it in this very post above when you typed the word "pha-z-ed".

What exactly is your issue?

[_pashaman]

There are no glaring contradictions, it's your imagination.
It's funny that you say that, because in my perspective being both a convert, and having left the Church and been anti-mormon and anti-religion, to me it's the anti-mormon like you who are "lazy-minded". Because you cherry pick some negative things, and then just destroy the whole thing. I know, I've been there.

Ah, yes. You are sooo much the wiser man than I. I guess I need to spend more time unemployed and on disability so I can surf the internets all day and argue like the Donald Trump of the interwebs forums.

You obviously have a lot invested in your cult views. Which is why you are so scared shitless to admit they are wrong. Good luck to you, then. Arguing with you is akin to debating a drunk urban outdoorsman.

Oh, and the fact that the entire foundations of the Mormon church have been so blatantly proven false is not the definition of "cherry picking." Just say'n.

I mean, what really is the difference between translate and "translate"? 14 and "several months before her 14th birthday"? Marriage and "Marriage." A picture of a studious Joseph Smith at the plates and the reality of Joseph Smith staring at a rock in a hat? Black and cursed? 1 person or 2 personages or an army of angels? "Principle ancestors" and "among the ancestors"? Polygamy being doctrinal or not doctrinal? Polygamy required for exaltation or not required? Greek Psalter or "Dictionary of Egyptian Hieroglyphics"?

Nah, you're right. Those darn "prophets" don't sound anything like confidence men. You got me.
Also, I'm sure the vocal concerns of all those saints--who so obviously saw that the "prophets" weren't speaking the truth at these times-- were deafening.

Do you think you're the first one to question some things?
What you don't get, is that we who see the same things you do, end up seeing MORE, because we are wiser, more patient, and study more, to see what is REALLY the truth. I left the Church primarily because of the black and priesthood issue, polygamy, and women and priesthood.
I asked the same thing, could these wicked "unfair" things be really a part of God's True Church? Nope.
Problem is..... is like you said, I was a lazy minded anti-mormon.

The problem you don't see is that you are trying to understand my mind based on your own. This is introspection. And it's misleading, especially in your case. See...you are STILL a lame brain and assume that your opponents are in fact the lazy-minded ones. You became a Mormon again, which isn't surprising because a lot of people go back to their religious roots when they get older and it's NOT because they studied harder. I'm inclined to guess (only guessing) that they are either scared shitless about their impending doom..of dying alone AND/OR they are trying to compensate for a life that was pretty much unworthy of praise. Now, that's not my own introspection, but observation of people I have known over the years, hence my guess at it being the case in general.

I saw the surface, and then judged in my utter ignorance.
It wasn't until I put away my judgments, and decided to keep learning that I then saw the full facts of things, and the issues in question, realizing that my assumptions were based on pre-judging ignorance.

But, faqs. You aren't that educated in anything. Just about everything you state here is confirmed B.S. and/or extremely poorly written and/or incoherent. You know that, right?

[Guest]

3. No offense son, but all my moving around, I didn't "master" some English rules, so when I write, I write according to what's natural in speech and for effect and emphasis.
If there is a pause in explaining something, then I use a comma, or if I need to emphasis a word, then I use quotes. Sorry you don't like it, but it's what things are for, and easy when writing on a forum and not writing a term paper.

You spelled 2 different words the same way.

4. Your pet peeve is not my problem. I read and read and read, and am not fazed at all by someone's mastery or the lack thereof of English.
Those of us who expose ourselves to other cultures and language speakers are especially not phazed in one iota. Maybe you need to step outside of your box and get out in the world?

You spelled the same word two different ways.
You intentionally override the autocorrect when it corrects your spelling.

According to what my eyes are seeing, you did it in this very post above when you typed the word "pha-z-ed".

What exactly is your issue?

Your computer has auto-correct, mine doesn't.

I'm writing on a message board, not a Term Paper.

[Guest]

Your computer has auto-correct, mine doesn't.

I'm writing on a message board, not a Term Paper. I wrote plenty of those in college.
Here's some I was able to save, including my Senior Thesis and Study.... <archive of stupid>

Windows 10 doesn't have Auto-Correct? My God you are completely full of crap. I love watching you discredit yourself with every post. It's hilarious.