immigration

[_ajax18]

Ludwigm, what percentage of your pension do you contribute to the Hungarian illegal immigrant fund?

[_MeDotOrg]

If I may be so bold, I would like to point out that Illegal Immigration is a worldwide problem. There is a large area of the Middle East that is essentially stateless: Virtually all of Syria, and considerable parts of Western and Northern Iraq as well as Libya.

Most of the people who live in this region have given up hope that there will be a political or military action that will end their suffering. They want a better life for themselves and their children.

If anyone of you knew a family living in this area, would you blame them for trying to leave, to find a place where they can live in peace?

There's an essential struggle between what is in the best interests of certain human beings (nations) and human beings without nations (the dispossessed). As this century progresses, the problem will increase, rather than diminish.

[_ajax18]

There's an essential struggle between what is in the best interests of certain human beings (nations) and human beings without nations (the dispossessed). As this century progresses, the problem will increase, rather than diminish.

I think you're right on the money actually. Besides the middle east, I'd point out that people do have nations, they're just not nations where you can make a decent living without having a significant amount of personal capital.

At least you're not trying to sell the line of BS that illegal immigration is great for the economy. You're so right that the problem is going to continue to get worse as well. For every immigrant that leaves one of these countries or is helped by foreign aid dollars, many more new babies are born into that desperate situation and thus the problem continues to grow.

[_ludwigm]

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A young migrant’s hair becomes stuck while crawling under a barbed fence with her family at the Hungarian-Serbian border near Roszke. Europe is currently struggling with its worst migrant crisis since World War II. So far this year, police say around 141,500 migrants have been intercepted crossing into Hungary, mostly from neighboring Serbia. Attila Kisbenedek / AFP / Getty Images

[_Themis]

I think you're right on the money actually. Besides the middle east, I'd point out that people do have nations, they're just not nations where you can make a decent living without having a significant amount of personal capital.

A lot of the problem for the EU is the result of bad decision by the west. Iraq and Libya.

At least you're not trying to sell the line of BS that illegal immigration is great for the economy.

Because in your fantasy universe they could never be of any benefit and must be a drain on hard working tax paying citizens.

You're so right that the problem is going to continue to get worse as well.

There will certainly be problems. One of the biggest sources for this century will be environmental refugees. Something we really helped a lot to create. If you were not a half empty mentality you might see the many improvements in the world.

For every immigrant that leaves one of these countries or is helped by foreign aid dollars, many more new babies are born into that desperate situation and thus the problem continues to grow.

Foreign aid does not try to increase birth rates in areas that have high birth rates. They do try to decrease them with better access to birth control. They will try to lower infant morality rates, so it's hard not to think you are upset that foreign aid is saving lives.

[_ajax18]

NO LIMIT: GERMANY WILL TAKE AS MANY IMMIGRANTS AS COME, CLAIMS TOP OFFICIAL

Germany will accommodate as many immigrants as make their way to the country, so says the head of the country’s Federal Office for Migration and Refugees Manfred Schmidt.

Speaking to the German newspaper Der Spiegel, Schmidt acknowledged that the numbers of people coming into Germany has quadrupled in the last year, with 800,000 asylum applications expected in 2015.

“Probably these figures are still rising,” he said, in a stark admission that there is no end in sight to the hundreds of thousands making their way into Europe.

While many of the would-be immigrants come from Syria, Schmidt also acknowledged the case for refugee and asylum status being based on economic hardship – one of the greatest concerns of the proponents of controlled immigration to Europe.

If Europe opens the doors to those who are defined as living in poverty, this would mean billions of people would have valid asylum claims for European nations.

“There have come more and more refugees from sub-Saharan Africa in recent years, many of them from economic hardship. The population of Africa is almost quadruple estimated to the year 2100. Do we have to talk about the African refugees more?” he was asked.

“You have to be clearly distinguished here,” he replied. “On the one hand, there are asylum seekers from countries like Eritrea or Somalia, fleeing for political reasons. Or Nigerians that the Islamist Boko Haram militia escape. On the other hand but also a lot of people from other West African countries to leave their homes because they want a second chance. They see no economical perspective on life in their country and seeking to reach Europe or Germany to work and support their families in Africa.”

“But,” he added, “of course it is not realistic and does not make sense that the entire workforce of West Africa comes under in Germany, so we have to continue to invest to build themselves good structures in the countries.”

The crucial answer however, came when he was asked how many refugees Germany can continue to absorb:

“It can be used for the inclusion of people who are fleeing persecution and need protection, giving no limit upwards,” he said. Echoing the statements made this weekend by French Prime Minister Manuel Valls.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08 ... -official/

[_ludwigm]

Ludwigm, what percentage of your pension do you contribute to the Hungarian illegal immigrant fund?

None. Our government do it for me.

Faced with a surge in migration from the Middle East and North Africa, two European countries are exploring the possibility of erecting towering steel security fences along parts of their borders, similar to Israel's barrier with Egypt.

Hungary and Bulgaria have made preliminary inquiries about buying the Israeli-designed fences, according to an Israeli business source who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the discussions.

- http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... GE20150903 -

Hungary's foreign affairs and trade ministry said it "does not dispose of information about ongoing Israeli-Hungarian negotiations on buying Israeli-designed border fences".

by the way foreign affairs and trade ministry should be written with capitals --- even in a language which uses capitals for M(!)onths and with(!)eekdays.

To remain ontopic: the fence is an act of compensation. We are lucky to not have a sea; Trianon has castrated us in many ways --- but this is the past. Behind us, as Hinckley used to say it...

[_I have a question]

Hi ludwigm,

Please tell us how you want us Americans to solve your immigration problem for you, and we'll go over and do it.

Thanks.

Turn back time and don't invade Iraq.

[_subgenius]

For you, merkans, we don't exist.

No, you exist but just as hospitality experts when we are tourists.

[_ludwigm]

For you, merkans, we don't exist.

No, you exist but just as hospitality experts when we are tourists.

Yes. We can handle lunatics. (Handle, not heal.)