immigration
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
Gallery --- no need to know the language.
Pictures explain themselves.
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Pictures explain themselves.
- http://galeria.index.hu/belfold/2015/09 ... a_vilagot/ -
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_Dr. Shades
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Re: immigration
ludwigm wrote:http://galeria.index.hu/belfold/2015/09/04/magyarorszag_kepei_jartak_korbe_tegnap_a_vilagot/ -
Why was that family lying on the railroad tracks?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
--Louis Midgley
--Louis Midgley
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
Dr. Shades wrote:ludwigm wrote:http://galeria.index.hu/belfold/2015/09/04/magyarorszag_kepei_jartak_korbe_tegnap_a_vilagot/ -
Why was that family lying on the railroad tracks?
I don't know. It is in grey area.
There is another blog to explain (in Hungarian, and no English version).
The most probably explanation is that they have given up. "If you don't let us to travel, then kill us" or something similar. There are videos around, but not about the same event.
The last minute information:
Some few thousand immigrants have begun to march towards Austria, on the E60 on foot. They were collected and transmitted to Austria with buses.
Two or three special train were launched to Vienna Westbanhof.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
One of disabled pictures: (THANK YOU, SHADES...)
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- http://m.blog.hu/ke/kettosmerce/image/1 ... 7022_n.jpg -
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
FYI: I don't seek for any solution.
I convey the status. As we have it.
I convey the status. As we have it.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_ludwigm
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Re: immigration
Eleni Tsakopoulos Kounalakis was the United States Ambassador to Hungary until July 2013.Hungary's Xenophobic Response
By ELENI KOUNALAKIS September 6, 2015
SAN FRANCISCO — The scene at Budapest’s Keleti train station is returning to normal. Trains are running again, and most of the thousands of desperate people stranded there last week are on their way to other, more hospitable countries in Europe. Hungary, a country rarely in the news, is already fading from the headlines.
The challenges facing Europe from the largest refugee crisis since World War II, however, have only just begun. And the example of how and why the Hungarian government detained and harassed these people, mostly from Syria but also from Afghanistan and North Africa, should continue to be a worrisome factor.
To understand the logic behind the Hungary’s recent actions, it’s helpful to know something about its powerful leader, Prime Minister Viktor Orban.
Mr. Orban came to power five years ago in a landslide election, winning more than two-thirds of the seats in Parliament. I was the United States ambassador to Hungary at the time, and I witnessed the first years of his so-called Two-Thirds Revolution. My fellow diplomats and I watched as Mr. Orban and his Fidesz party voted in 700 new laws and adopted a new constitution. Laws governing virtually every institution — the media, the courts, universities, local government, religious institutions — were rewritten, most at lighting speed and with little or no input from opposition parties or civil society stakeholders.
Sounds familiar?The United States was the first country to raise concerns that the radical reform process was weakening the independence of Hungary’s democratic institutions, concentrating power in the hands of fewer people and eliminating important checks and balances. In 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton warned Hungary against “democratic backsliding.”
Mr. Orban’s reaction was to double down. In a speech last summer, he declared that European-style “liberal democracy” had failed. Instead, Hungary would pursue “illiberal democracy,” he said, citing Russia and Turkey as role models. With this speech, Orban dropped all pretense that he valued the basic principles of Western-style democracy.
When I last visited Budapest, in June, I asked Hungary’s ambassador to Austria about the government’s proposal to put up a fence on the border with Serbia.
“It’s going to happen,” he told me with certainty. Being accustomed to the definitive way that Fidesz officials spoke about policy, I understood. If Mr. Orban had decided, it was done.
Please evaluate yourself...What is notable is how early Mr. Orban prepared for an influx of refugees. Three months ago, the government posted signs with messages like “If you come to Hungary, you cannot take the jobs of Hungarians!” Since the billboards were in Hungarian only, it was clear that this was a message not for immigrants, but for Hungarians. Mr. Orban was laying doing the groundwork to inoculate the Hungarian public against feeling sympathy for these supposed job-stealers.
The Hitler option, but, it fits.Recently, Austrian authorities found a freight truck abandoned by human traffickers along the highway from Budapest to Vienna, in which 71 refugees died of asphyxiation. When I saw the images, I couldn’t help thinking of the cattle cars used to deport 440,000 Hungarian Jews to Nazi death camps in World War II.
If that thing exists at all.It was a chilling reminder of Hungary’s, and Europe’s, tumultuous pasts. Today, while the world watches, Europeans generally and Hungarians in particular have the opportunity, and the obligation, to stand up and show the compassion and humanity that exists within us all.
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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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_ajax18
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Re: immigration
The ongoing wars in the Levant area of the Middle East, particularly in Syria, have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands, and many have chosen to flee in desperation. However, none of these migrants from war-torn countries seem to be traveling south to the Gulf, and for good reason.
Their Arab co-ethnics in the Gulf states are, for the most part, refusing to offer resettlement to a single person, drawing the ire of NGOs such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, the Washington Post reports. The situation is also exacerbating the ongoing migrant crisis in Europe.
Luay Al Khatteeb of the Brookings institution tweeted out a map showing that the oil-rich Gulf nations, such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and the UAE have not taken in a single refugee from the ongoing Syrian Civil War.
These oil-rich nations have plenty of cash at their disposal, and their citizens live much more comfortable lives, on average, when compared to their northern Arab neighbors, which would seemingly create a situation where the Gulf nations would be able to absorb some refugees.
The article also points out that the Gulf states have not exactly been “innocent bystanders” when trying to create a result from the regional wars. For example, the piece notes that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and others have funded rebel and Islamist groups fighting against the Assad regime.
But some say that the Gulf states have done enough to assist Syrian refugees.
“If it wasn’t for the Gulf states, you would expect these millions to be in a much more tragic state than they are,” Abdulkhaleq Abdulla, a university professor in the United Arab Emirates, told the New York Times. “This finger-pointing at the Gulf that they are not doing anything, it is just not true,” he said, claiming that the UAE has absorbed 160,000 Syrians over the past three years.
“Why is it that there are just questions about the position of the Gulf, but not about who is behind the crisis, who created the crisis,” commented Khalid al-Dakhil, a professor of political science at King Saud University in Riyadh.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... nt-crisis/
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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_EAllusion
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Re: immigration
That's an odd post from you Ajax. It has the tone of disapproving of Gulf Coast states refusing to accept Syrian refugee immigrants. But that's the exact policy position you prefer. Why wouldn't you be celebrating them for embracing your own immigration views? Or is this some crude ethnic calculus where you think them A-rabs should be taking in vaguely middle-Eastern refugees before countries you think of as White do?
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_ajax18
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Re: immigration
That's an odd post from you Ajax. It has the tone of disapproving of Gulf Coast states refusing to accept Syrian refugee immigrants.
It's more of a question of why so much criticism of Europeans who would like to secure their borders but no criticism of Persian Gulf states who refuse to take any of these immigrants. Has anyone but Breitbart pointed out this fact?
Most people tend to reach out and help those who they're most closely related to. Do you think that means most people are racist?
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.