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Re: immigration

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ajax18 wrote:
It's more of a question of why so much criticism of Europeans who would like to secure their borders but no criticism of Persian Gulf states who refuse to take any of these immigrants. Has anyone but Breitbart pointed out this fact?


Middle Eastern states receive criticism from all manner of parties on all manner of subjects, including immigration. Your own article specifically cites Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch criticizing them as reported by the Washington post. It then follows that up with citing the liberal think tank the Brookings Institute. It then quotes a critical piece from the New York Times via CNBC. Did you read it?

Brietbart is just aggregating a story by referencing real journalism from the Washington Post and New York Times. You then argue that only Brietbart is reporting on it.

Most people tend to reach out and help those who they're most closely related to. Do you think that means most people are racist?

Yes, it's pretty racist to just help out people you are more closely related to if by "closely related to" you mean, "of similar races." That's about as racist as it gets, in fact.
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Yes, it's pretty racist to just help out people you are more closely related to if by "closely related to" you mean, "of similar races." That's about as racist as it gets, in fact.


I didn't mean only. I meant favoring, you know push comes to shove, who will they stretch the furthest to reach. I think most people have this tendency. Keep in mind most human beings are not white. So you're pretty much admitting that most human beings are racist?
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Re: immigration

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ajax18 wrote:
Yes, it's pretty racist to just help out people you are more closely related to if by "closely related to" you mean, "of similar races." That's about as racist as it gets, in fact.


I didn't mean only. I meant favoring, you know push comes to shove, who will they stretch the furthest to reach. I think most people have this tendency. Keep in mind most human beings are not white. So you're pretty much admitting that most human beings are racist?


Racism is common around the world, but no not everyone is racist. And no, it is not some default setting in people to favor people they perceive to be of more similar racial makeup to them. That's you, and it's incredibly racist. There's also complicating factors like race and relatedness not necessarily matching up, and regional races in the Middle East being very diverse (you might be more closely related to a Syrian refugee than someone in Saudi Arabia), but the core idea that it is Ok to favor people of the same race of you is as clear-cut racism as it gets.
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Racism is common around the world, but no not everyone is racist.


I didn't say everyone. I said most people.

And no, it is not some default setting in people to favor people they perceive to be of more similar racial makeup to them.


Really? Then why do most racial groups favor their own kind? Even within these racial groups people favor the people they're most closely related to. It's directly proportional to the number of genes they share.

but the core idea that it is Ok to favor people of the same race of you is as clear-cut racism as it gets.


Yet when a nonwhite person does this we seem to just expect it as natural human behavior.
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Re: immigration

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Hungary Taking ‘Decisive Action’ Against Flood of Refugees, Military to Deploy to Southern Border


Wednesday, Hungarian Chief of General Tibor Benko announced that the government has launched readiness exercises to prepare the nation’s Army for deployment along the country’s southern border.

This move follows the mass exodus of refugees fleeing to Hungary in an effort to obtain asylum in Europe. Benko stated to the national channel M1, that first and foremost “It is our job to make sure Hungary is defended.” Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban added that though legislation addressing the issue may not pass before the end of September, the nation is still taking the necessary steps to speed up the process in which the country builds a fence to secure their southern border.


“Everyone has to get ready to do intensive work in the coming weeks,” Orban stated.

As Hungary continues to drown under the flood of refugees, human rights watchdog guides are criticizing their response to the crisis. Stating that the conditions the refugees are being held in are inhumane, both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are calling for improvements.


http://libertynews.com/2015/09/hungary- ... rn-border/
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Re: immigration

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Ludwigm, thanks for keeping us posted on events in Europe.

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Re: immigration

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moksha wrote:Ludwigm, thanks for keeping us posted on events in Europe.

You know, this is the case:
- [#img] http://img1.indafoto.hu/10/1/57091_6715 ... 2df4_m.jpg[/img] -
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Re: immigration

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Ludwigm, here is a related article:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/migrants-finding-little-sympathy-in-hungary-for-their-plight/ar-AAe6YSA?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=mailsignout

"Come to Hungary," the billboard advises asylum seekers. "We've got jobs in London!"
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Re: immigration

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From that source:
"It can be hard to convince Hungarians that these people don't want to take our jobs, our homes, our women, our dogs,"
Yet Hungary at times has become a theater of the absurd, with police expending great effort to marshal the migrants to specific spots, only to watch them walk straight out again to snarl traffic.

Government billboards warn the newcomers to respect the country's laws and culture, but the signs all are in Hungarian, which virtually none of them can read.


Are there - in US - government billboards?
"THE GOVERNMENT IS OK" style billboards?

- [#img] http://m.cdn.blog.hu/va/vastagbor/image ... jobban.jpg[/img] -
Translation:
--- goverment information : Hungary does it better.
Self-varnishing.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
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Re: immigration

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And the side-effect...

Read for Yourself!
- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/world ... amera.html -

May every parish and religious community in Europe host a refugee family. (c) Francis.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
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