Maksutov wrote:Time to remember the other 9/11, the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I'm inclined to say that this is LDS Church organized, sustained, institutional dishonesty at its finest but perhaps the "documentaries" of Mormon persecution playing nonstop at Temple Square pay fair and equitable attention to this event.
Spare me.... The other 9/11 was Japan Attacking Pearl Harbor.
MMM was a wagon train full of anti-mormon religious bigots, who mocked the Saints, said they were involved in the various attrocity's done to the saints state to state, and so the Mormons and some Indians, and dressing as Indians decided to take "revenge".
It was wrong, a tragedy.... But, I don't see you crying about all the atrocity's committed against the Saints up till that time. Even good people can do wrong if enough wrong occurs to them.
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Eldy Es Fax wrote:MMM was a wagon train full of anti-mormon religious bigots, who mocked the Saints, said they were involved in the various attrocity's done to the saints state to state, and so the Mormons and some Indians, and dressing as Indians decided to take "revenge".
You know, it's odd that you put the word "revenge" in quotes. Do you think it was not really about revenge? And even if you do, revenge for what? The violence inflicted upon the Mormons in Missouri and Illinois looms large in the traditional narratives and in the process obscures the violence perpetrated by the Mormons on Missourians and Illinoians. But that violence was on such a small scale, and nothing that either side had done up to that point, however, could match the Mormon display of violence and duplicity at Mountain Meadows. Even under the rubric of "revenge," it can't be made just.
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Eldy Es Fax wrote:MMM was a wagon train full of anti-mormon religious bigots, who mocked the Saints, said they were involved in the various attrocity's done to the saints state to state, and so the Mormons and some Indians, and dressing as Indians decided to take "revenge".
You know, it's odd that you put the word "revenge" in quotes. Do you think it was not really about revenge? And even if you do, revenge for what? The violence inflicted upon the Mormons in Missouri and Illinois looms large in the traditional narratives and in the process obscures the violence perpetrated by the Mormons on Missourians and Illinoians. But that violence was on such a small scale, and nothing that either side had done up to that point, however, could match the Mormon display of violence and duplicity at Mountain Meadows. Even under the rubric of "revenge," it can't be made just.
Furthermore, the Baker–Fancher wagon train was from Arkansas, not Missouri or Illinois.
The ONLY connection to Arkansas was the murder of Parley P. Pratt, who was killed on a farm northeast of Van Buren, Arkansas by the estranged husband of a woman that Parley had taken as his 12th wife.
It is plausible that Pratt's death precipitated the "revenge" that ldsFAPS mentions.
That post is everything we have come to expect from ldsfaqs. He repeats Mormon urban myths, comes across as a total asshole, and offers even more proof he's a total idiot when, on a thread that posts tragedies that occurred on 9/11, he cites Pearl Harbor.
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bcuzbcuz wrote:I thought you meant 9/11 1973 when Pinochet and his military cronies, backed by the CIA and US money, killed Allende in Chilé. Pinochet ruled with an iron hand and loaded weapons from 1973-1990. Tens of thousands of Chilean people lost their lives to this military dictatorship and hundreds of thousands of Chileans fled the country.
Allende committed suicide.
Or was thrown out that window. Nobody knows.
Joseph Smith's last minutes, as I (or You) remember...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Maksutov wrote:Time to remember the other 9/11, the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I'm inclined to say that this is LDS Church organized, sustained, institutional dishonesty at its finest but perhaps the "documentaries" of Mormon persecution playing nonstop at Temple Square pay fair and equitable attention to this event.
I thought you meant 9/11 1973 when Pinochet and his military cronies, backed by the CIA and US money, killed Allende in Chilé. Pinochet ruled with an iron hand and loaded weapons from 1973-1990. Tens of thousands of Chilean people lost their lives to this military dictatorship and hundreds of thousands of Chileans fled the country.
(By the way, Chileans consider themselves Americans,... South Americans)
Yep, the same brilliant administrations that backed Pinochet backed the Shah and helped bring on the Iranian revolution. And we still tell BS stories to justify those things, just like faqs does to defend Mormon murderers. Hell, most Americans don't know or don't care that we built up Saddam, even to the point of providing him with the very resources he used to gas the Kurds. I am not going to defend my country's clusterfucks, they get too many good people killed, cost too much money and divert us from doing better.
Symmachus wrote: ...nothing that either side had done up to that point, however, could match the Mormon display of violence and duplicity at Mountain Meadows. Even under the rubric of "revenge," it can't be made just.
I frequently travel to Southern Utah and stay in a little bed and breakfast called Quicksand and Cactus, the former home of Juanita Brooks. It helps me to remember that there were Mormons who were utterly horrified and disgusted by the butchery and cover up. It's just too bad there weren't--and aren't--more of them.
