A Fatally Flawed Argument of Mike Ash, LDS Apologist

[_Philo Sofee]

New article for your reading pleasures.
https://drpepaw.wordpress.com/2015/09/2 ... apologist/

[_ldsfaqs]

Kerry Shirts wrong as usual..... too much warped atheism on the brain seeing only part of the truth.

There IS evidences for God. So, that fact debunks your entire argument.
Your further wondering why there are not "Elijah" like episodes today (without the bad part) and since there aren't so many (that we all know about) must mean that past evidences are in fact "made up" and thus are invalid, and thus there is no evidence for God, is the stuff that ignores two very important facts.
1. That evidences do occur, but they tend to be small scale. After all, how many actually knew about the Elijah event when it happened? Not that many.
2. You also ignore the fact that God provides the way to know things, even all things, providing evidences of them, but can't do so to such a degree that the "evidence" would interfere with "Free Will". God expects us to use our minds and hearts to choose good over evil, truth over falsehood.
Sadly you are going the wrong way now.... becoming so learned, you are no longer wise.

[_Jersey Girl]

Kerry Shirts wrong as usual..... too much warped atheism on the brain seeing only part of the truth.

There IS evidences for God. So, that fact debunks your entire argument.
Your further wondering why there are not "Elijah" like episodes today (without the bad part) and since there aren't so many (that we all know about) must mean that past evidences are in fact "made up" and thus are invalid, and thus there is no evidence for God, is the stuff that ignores two very important facts.
1. That evidences do occur, but they tend to be small scale. After all, how many actually knew about the Elijah event when it happened? Not that many.
2. You also ignore the fact that God provides the way to know things, even all things, providing evidences of them, but can't do so to such a degree that the "evidence" would interfere with "Free Will". God expects us to use our minds and hearts to choose good over evil, truth over falsehood.
Sadly you are going the wrong way now.... becoming so learned, you are no longer wise.

Are you saying that he's an atheist now? Your evidence?

[_I have a question]

He opens his book in the Introduction with the fatally flawed argument. As an accomodationist (looks for and helps find correlations between science and religion, attempting to make them compatible) Mike presents evidences in favor of Mormon themes in his books. It’s a fun approach. I used to do that all the time as an apologist. After all, mere faith never convinces anyone, there must be evidence, or you don’t get jack spit for any convincing argument. Of course, when evidence goes against claims, they scurry back to faith quickly portending great things for its power to save a theological issue. Alas, faith is worthless for finding reality and truth. I wish it were otherwise, but 44,000 different sects of Christianity use faith, and there is no logical way all of them, fighting against each other and contradicting numerous doctrines, are correct. There are over 250 different and contradictory offshoots of Mormonism alone in the last 200 years, and their faith isn’t accurate or right, so how do Mormons think they alone got it right when all these others didn’t? No, really! There are that many. See Steven L. Shields, Divergent Paths of the Restoration, Herald House, 2001. And, of course, they each think they got it right while all others are wrong, and so it goes round and round on the faith merry-go-round. All churches faith are wrong according to all the other churches, hence faith can be wrong and lead you to error, on the churches own arguments against other churches. Faith has not led all those other of thousands of sects to truth, hence it cannot lead you to it in your own church. That is a perfectly logical and sober consideration.

Now that's a testimony

[_Kishkumen]

By admitting at the outset there is simply no faith for God, brother Ash simply demonstrates there is no reason to believe in God then.

I think you mean, "there simply is no [proof/evidence of] God."

[_SuperDell]

Kerry Shirts wrong as usual..... too much warped atheism on the brain seeing only part of the truth.

There IS evidences for God. So, that fact debunks your entire argument.
Your further wondering why there are not "Elijah" like episodes today (without the bad part) and since there aren't so many (that we all know about) must mean that past evidences are in fact "made up" and thus are invalid, and thus there is no evidence for God, is the stuff that ignores two very important facts.
1. That evidences do occur, but they tend to be small scale. After all, how many actually knew about the Elijah event when it happened? Not that many.
2. You also ignore the fact that God provides the way to know things, even all things, providing evidences of them, but can't do so to such a degree that the "evidence" would interfere with "Free Will". God expects us to use our minds and hearts to choose good over evil, truth over falsehood.
Sadly you are going the wrong way now.... becoming so learned, you are no longer wise.

Tell it to Job and Joe Smith. Forced to do what they claim God wanted.

[_kamenraider]

Kerry, how certain are you that God doesn't exist? 100%? Are you allowed to remain a Freemason as an atheist?

[_MissTish]

There IS evidences for God.

Can you show me this evidence? Perhaps there's a YouTube video that you can post.

[_Lemmie]

There IS evidences for God. So, that fact debunks your entire argument.

Please produce the fact to which you are referring. If you ditch this thread like you ditch all others when asked for legit arguments, you understand you are conceding defeat.

[_Jersey Girl]

Kerry, how certain are you that God doesn't exist? 100%? Are you allowed to remain a Freemason as an atheist?

Kerry has self identified as agnostic.