Mittens wrote:Do you heed the words of Joseph Smith over Jesus
thanx mittens- you make a good case for the apologists to try and overturn but it is very appealing to current Mormons who believe the doctrine was mangled early in or just after Joseph Smith and are looking for "truth".
SuperDell wrote:When have we heard anything about The Three Nephites or John the Beloved - all still on earth with the Priesthood - in conference talks?
These four would be important for modern Apostles and Prophets to visit with and learn from.
Why are they ignored?
Well.......I mean..........o.k. to let the cat out of the bag....some things are too sacred for the world, so they keep it hidden. Some truths are not very useful, and God is, after all, hush hush about everything of critical celestial importance. After all, sure he gave up the kiddo for us, but only a very precious select few are really gonna make it so they can bomb us below from their celestial heights and lord it over the rest of us as their eternal reward. It's all going according to plan. Can't let the riff raff in on it, good heavens if there were no secrets things would go amuck and everyone would get a chance at being exalted. What the hell do you think THAT would do to heaven except trash it? Yeah? You seein the logic yet?.......
Dr CamNC4Me
"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
SuperDell wrote:When have we heard anything about The Three Nephites or John the Beloved - all still on earth with the Priesthood - in conference talks?
These four would be important for modern Apostles and Prophets to visit with and learn from.
Why are they ignored?
Well.......I mean..........o.k. to let the cat out of the bag....some things are too sacred for the world, so they keep it hidden. Some truths are not very useful, and God is, after all, hush hush about everything of critical celestial importance. After all, sure he gave up the kiddo for us, but only a very precious select few are really gonna make it so they can bomb us below from their celestial heights and lord it over the rest of us as their eternal reward. It's all going according to plan. Can't let the riff raff in on it, good heavens if there were no secrets things would go amuck and everyone would get a chance at being exalted. What the hell do you think THAT would do to heaven except trash it? Yeah? You seein the logic yet?.......
I would say Jesus refutes you in his story about the rich man and Lazarus, in the story the rich man wanted someone from the dead to tell his brothers what's waiting him. and Abraham said they wouldn't listen to him either. Abraham is proven correct when Lazarus [ Mary's brother was raised from the dead] and sure enough know one cared to believe him even thou he came from the realm of the dead.
Justice = Getting what you deserve Mercy = Not getting what you deserve Grace = Getting what you can never deserve
kairos wrote:I was hoping Peter and James would accompany John given that James lost his head (on Herod's order) and it would be easy to point him out in GC.
John the Baptist lost his head on Herod's order, not James.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
SuperDell wrote:When have we heard anything about The Three Nephites or John the Beloved - all still on earth with the Priesthood - in conference talks?
These four would be important for modern Apostles and Prophets to visit with and learn from.
Why are they ignored?
When Elder Perry visited my mission in the early 90's, in a Q&A one of the missionaries asked him "Where are the three nephites?" Elder Perry responded "How the heck should I know? They don't check in with us!" (read that in an L. Tom Perry voice. It was very funny.)
I love it when Biblical mythical characters and stories are used as proof against the Book of Mormon mythical stories and characters.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
If I were the church, just to screw with some folks, I would find three of the biggest, buffest, native American looking guys possible. Then for the upcoming conference, I would pay them, outfit them in the most expensive, finest looking suits, and have them sit in the chairs of the three vacant Q15 members. Just have them sit there silently throughout the meetings. Every now and then Monson could give them a "thumbs up". If new Q15 members were called up during the meetings, when they went to take their seat the Indian guy would get up then give them a temple handshake and a five points of fellowship-type hug before exiting the stage and disappearing for good.
When questioned afterwards church leaders can claim they had no idea who they were, how they got there, or where they went.
Fun times.
Red flags look normal when you're wearing rose colored glasses.
