Peterson: Jana Reiss is "profoundly unfair"

[_I have a question]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... lease.html

I confess that I haven’t noticed any supposed “epidemic” of “slut-shaming” in Mormonism. However, I pay little or no attention to the Oscars, the Grammys, the Emmys, People Magazine, the National Enquirer, and the Kardashians, and I don’t read blogs that focus on them. So maybe I’ve missed it.

That, though, isn’t my major complaint here:

I think some of what Jana Riess says in this piece is profoundly — profoundly — unfair.

Elder Callister was absolutely not saying that women are completely responsible for the thoughts, behavior, and virtue of men.

He was, I think, simply recognizing the indisputable fact that men can be, and often are, affected by what women wear. (If that’s not true, it’s difficult to see a lot of sense in many “men’s magazines,” in much female fashion, in a great deal of advertising, and so forth. “Sex sells,” goes the familiar adage. But what women wear makes no difference? Seriously? What on earth is Cosmopolitan about, in that case?)

[_EAllusion]

Criticizing women for dressing provocatively is the quintessential example of "slut-shaming" for what it is worth. In articles and texts attempting to explain the concept, it is usually the example picked first. DCP's beef is with the concept.

[_SuperDell]

Women can also be affected by what men wear and how they look. Must be why Peterson is such a turn off to women.

[_DarkHelmet]

I confess that I haven’t noticed any supposed “epidemic” of “slut-shaming” in Mormonism. However, I pay little or no attention to the Oscars, the Grammys, the Emmys, People Magazine, the National Enquirer, and the Kardashians, and I don’t read blogs that focus on them. So maybe I’ve missed it.

Wow, Dan is so much better than the rest of us because he doesn't pay attention to pop-culture trash. This might surprise him, but I don't watch that crap either, and I still think he's an arrogant asshole, and I believe Mormonism slut shames women.

[_Kishkumen]

Yeah, this would be lot less controversial if boys were counseled to cover themselves appropriately and not wear tight jeans because it drives the girls crazy. Or whatever.

What Mormon men have a difficult time understanding is that this counsel to women falls into the category of "thanks for lecturing me as though I were a small child because I happen to be female."

In short, mansplaining.

Now, another good way to go here is to educate people on dressing appropriately for an event, and on the pitfalls of not doing so. Such as, "don't go down the red carpet wearing your t-top and ripped jeans," or, "don't wear a see-through dress/speedo to a corporate board meeting."

[_Equality]

I think some of what Jana Riess says in this piece is profoundly — profoundly — unfair.

Well, since he said "profoundly" twice—twice—I am persuaded.

[_suniluni2]

I confess that I haven’t noticed any supposed “epidemic” of “slut-shaming” in Mormonism. However, I pay little or no attention to the Oscars, the Grammys, the Emmys, People Magazine, the National Enquirer, and the Kardashians, and I don’t read blogs that focus on them. So maybe I’ve missed it.

Wow, Dan is so much better than the rest of us because he doesn't pay attention to pop-culture trash.

Wait, didn't he get caught viewing some twerking video, or something like that?

[_Aoife]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2015/09/the-mormon-modesty-wars-no-more-slut-shaming-please.html

I confess that I haven’t noticed any supposed “epidemic” of “slut-shaming” in Mormonism. However, I pay little or no attention to the Oscars, the Grammys, the Emmys, People Magazine, the National Enquirer, and the Kardashians, and I don’t read blogs that focus on them. So maybe I’ve missed it.

That, though, isn’t my major complaint here:

I think some of what Jana Riess says in this piece is profoundly — profoundly — unfair.

Elder Callister was absolutely not saying that women are completely responsible for the thoughts, behavior, and virtue of men.

He was, I think, simply recognizing the indisputable fact that men can be, and often are, affected by what women wear. (If that’s not true, it’s difficult to see a lot of sense in many “men’s magazines,” in much female fashion, in a great deal of advertising, and so forth. “Sex sells,” goes the familiar adage. But what women wear makes no difference? Seriously? What on earth is Cosmopolitan about, in that case?)

He reminds me of my dad a bit. And as with my father, I've often wondered whether he might be suffering from early-onset dementia, or if it's just really advanced trolling that is a product of boredom. It seems like he's unable to engage with or respond to material without missing the point in some very obvious way.

[_Kishkumen]

He reminds me of my dad a bit. And as with my father, I've often wondered whether he might be suffering from early-onset dementia, or if it's just really advanced trolling that is a product of boredom. It seems like he's unable to engage with or respond to material without missing the point in some very obvious way.

Speaking as a privileged white male who has been accused of mansplaining on more than one occasion, allow me to mansplain. LOL.

My guess is that we grumpy old white guys use these things not as opportunities for conversations so much as platforms to mansplain. If the grumpy white guy gets the point and engages it, he can no longer lecture you.

[/mansplain]

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

In short, mansplaining.

Now, another good way to go here is to educate people on dressing appropriately for an event, and on the pitfalls of not doing so.

Looks like it's not just 'mansplaining'; it comes from Mormon women, too.

https://www.lds.org/liahona/2005/11/the ... y?lang=eng

https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/elaine-s ... ine-forth/

So on and so forth...

I wonder what the female equivalent of 'mansplaining' is...

- Doc