Will there be a third party?

The Off-Topic forum for anything non-LDS related, such as sports or politics. Rated PG through PG-13.
Post Reply
_MeDotOrg
_Emeritus
Posts: 4761
Joined: Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:29 pm

Will there be a third party?

Post by _MeDotOrg »

Just hours after Cruz dropped out, an opinion piece appeared on the Washington Post website. It was written by Eliot Cohen, and official in both the State and Defense Departments in both Bush Administrations. Here are a few excerpts:

It’s over. Donald Trump, a man utterly unfit for the position by temperament, values and policy preferences, will be the Republican nominee for president. He will run against Hillary Clinton, who is easily the lesser evil but is trailed by clouds of scandal and misconduct and whose party’s left wing poses its own threats to liberties of speech, religion, enterprise and association.

It is time for a third candidate, and probably for a third party.

Even if a third candidacy still yielded a Clinton victory, it would be worthwhile. It would, first, deny the Clinton campaign the illusion of a mandate from American voters who would have, en masse, turned out to reject Trump. If nothing else, a strong third-candidate vote would send her a message to govern from the center, rather than in deference to her party’s increasingly powerful left wing.

And in any case, the party founded by Lincoln is sick. The influence on it of ranting reality-television players, talk-show hucksters and monomaniacs of various stripes may not recede. The temper that led a supposedly responsible party of governance to repeatedly attempt to shut down the government may, in turn, shut it out of executive power for a long time.

The hour is late, the task is urgent, and the cause is great. Let us hope that some politicians will summon the courage that their country requires, and act.


Translation: A lot of Republicans feel they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. At least one Republican is willing to chew off his hand to get out.

The next few months are going to be fascinating. Trump is already trying rapprochement with the party, calling Cruz "One hell of a competitor" only a few hours after linking Lyin' Ted's father to Lee Harvey Oswald and the Kennedy assassination.

The Republican Convention will not be a contested convention, but will the party unite behind Trump?

"I am confident I can unite much of" the GOP Trump said Wednesday on NBC's "Today Show, as several prominent Republicans said they'd prefer Democrat Clinton over the New York billionaire. In a shot at his critics, Trump added: "Those people can go away and maybe come back in eight years after we served two terms. Honestly, there are some people I really don't want."


I don't think John McCain or Mitt Romney will be giving the nominating speech. Who will be his running mate? Will the choice indicate that Trump is reaching towards the old rank and file, or will his choice further alienate the old-line GOP? And who, after examining the cost/benefit ratio, will be Trump's Veep?

And if Trump doesn't get a post-convention bump in popularity, expect intra-party squabbling to reach new levels of intensity.

PREDICTION: Trump's acceptance speech will have the highest ratings in political Television history. Expect one talking head after another to solemnly pronounce that Trump needs to give the speech of his life tonight.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization."
- Will Durant
"We've kept more promises than we've even made"
- Donald Trump
"Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist."
- Edwin Land
_subgenius
_Emeritus
Posts: 13326
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:50 pm

Re: Will there be a third party?

Post by _subgenius »

MeDotOrg wrote:Translation: A lot of Republicans feel they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I am not sure, given the numbers turning out for Trump that you can reasonably infer "a lot". It is appropriate to say "some"...and those "some" are, as evidenced by whom the author is, represent an out-dated mode of politics...and this mode is present within both parties....thus the multitude of Bernie supporters who also "feel stuck".
To me, this is the disadvantage for Hillary. Her and Bill have demonstrated their expertise at old-school politics....and she is certainly not changing canoes now. It is impossible for her to shake the fact that she is nothing more than a another installment of the "politics as usual".

So, while the author has a certain myopia about the party (no doubt in an effort to accomplish his goal of "holding on"), the points apply in a bipartisan field - and to that end, Trump has the calculated advantage.

MeDotOrg wrote:PREDICTION: Trump's acceptance speech will have the highest ratings in political Television history. Expect one talking head after another to solemnly pronounce that Trump needs to give the speech of his life tonight.

To be fair, they will say the same thing about Hillary's speech....but indeed the ratings will favor Trump.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
_The CCC
_Emeritus
Posts: 6746
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:51 am

Re: Will there be a third party?

Post by _The CCC »

Gary Johnson is a third party Libertarian and still in the race. If anything he will drain votes away for Trump if not necessarily towards Clinton.
_Some Schmo
_Emeritus
Posts: 15602
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:59 pm

Re: Will there be a third party?

Post by _Some Schmo »

I was listening to some pundits talking last night and one of them was talking about how Hillary needs to try to appeal to the Drumpf-hating right wingers out there. Someone else said that if she does that, she'll alienate the Bernie chunk of her base. I figure she'll try it anyway, since "triangulation" is a Clinton thing. If she actually is able to create "Clinton Republicans" (like Reagan Democrats) I think it leaves the door wide open for a real left wing candidate/party to fill the void.

Like I predicted before, I think the DNC will be the new party for conservatives. It largely already is. A large number of Independents will find a new home in a truly liberal party, and extreme right-wingers (i. e. Tea Party crazies) will become the new Independents.

Drumpf is the harbinger of the GOP's death.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
_Doctor Steuss
_Emeritus
Posts: 4597
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:57 pm

Re: Will there be a third party?

Post by _Doctor Steuss »

Bull Moose 2016
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
Post Reply