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15 year old finds ancient American civilisation evidence.

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http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/05/ ... house.html

Canadian teenager believes he has discovered the ruins of a lost Mayan city in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula — with the assistance of Google Maps and a star chart.

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William Gadoury, of Saint-Jean-de-Matha, Quebec, has had a longstanding interest in Mayan civilization, particularly where they chose to build their towns and cities.

"The Mayans were extremely good builders, but they often built in places that made little practical sense — far from rivers, far from fertile areas. It seemed strange for a civilization that was so intelligent," Gadoury told CBC News. "I knew they were good at astronomy, so I tried to make the link."

Gadoury studied 22 Mayan constellations and found the stars matched the locations of 117 known ancient cities when overlaid on a map. He then realized that one star in a 23rd constellation didn't have a corresponding Mayan city.

That's when the teen got the Canadian Space Agency involved. After meeting CSA project officer Daniel De Lisle at a school science fair and presenting his theory, Gadoury was given access to high-definition satellite images which he cross-referenced against Google Earth.

Underneath the Yucatan's dense vegetation, Gadoury located possible man-made structures where the astronomical data suggested the missing city would be. He believes the objects to be the remains of pyramids. The CSA's De Lisle is cautiously optimistic.

"There are linear features that would suggest there is something underneath that big canopy," De Lisle told The Independent. "There are enough items to suggest it could be a man-made structure."

Gadoury has tentatively dubbed the ancient city K'aak Chi, or Mouth of Fire. His findings will be published in a scientific journal and he has been invited to present them at a conference in Brazil next year.


And yet Sorenson et al still drawing blanks.
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Sadly, this may not be Zarahemla. It's a pity that this discovery is probably not one of the ten or twelve Zarahemlas found in recent years:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/central-america/boy-15-discovers-longlost-ancient-mayan-city-using-constellations-and-google-earth/news-story/b04d69a50712f5aa045b2123d052aee5

However, some sceptics are casting doubt on his story, including David Stuart, an anthropologist from The Mesoamerica Center-University of Texas at Austin.
Mr Stuart also achieved fame for his Mayan discoveries as a teenager.
He posted on his Facebook page: “This current news story of an ancient Maya city being discovered is false. I was trying to ignore it (and the media inquiries I’ve been getting) but now ... I feel I ought to say something.
“The whole thing is a mess — a terrible example of junk science hitting the internet in free-fall.


It looks like it might be just a recently abandoned and overgrown corn field.
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I'm going to wait and see....now, what to do whilst waiting...
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I have a question wrote:I'm going to wait and see....now, what to do whilst waiting...

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http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157477/20160511/experts-debunk-teens-discovery-of-ancient-mayan-city-using-star-maps.htm
Experts think that the square in the images is most probably a forgotten location, and another area may be a small dry lake or remnant of what used to be a jungle.

This expert technique of casting doubt without corroborating evidence sounds like apologetics.
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moksha wrote:http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157477/20160511/experts-debunk-teens-discovery-of-ancient-mayan-city-using-star-maps.htm
Experts think that the square in the images is most probably a forgotten location, and another area may be a small dry lake or remnant of what used to be a jungle.

This expert technique of casting doubt without corroborating evidence sounds like apologetics.


Yeah, what's up with that? With so many Zarahemlas to choose from, how can there be any doubt that at least one of them is correct? Personally, I'm going with Cahokia. It's even in the right place (well, sorta).
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Three things in that image are superfluous.
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moksha wrote:http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157477/20160511/experts-debunk-teens-discovery-of-ancient-mayan-city-using-star-maps.htm
Experts think that the square in the images is most probably a forgotten location, and another area may be a small dry lake or remnant of what used to be a jungle.

This expert technique of casting doubt without corroborating evidence sounds like apologetics.

They seemed a little butt-hurt that their profession was performed effectively by a 15yo Canadian.

wonder what the certification requirements are for "archaeoastronomy"?
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subgenius wrote:They seemed a little butt-hurt that their profession was performed effectively by a 15yo Canadian.

wonder what the certification requirements are for "archaeoastronomy"?
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Sorry, your boy wonder isn't.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/15-year ... 160511.htm

It was a story that was too good to resist – including for us here at Discovery News — but shortly after the story caught fire, a number of Mayan experts emerged to pour cold water on it all.

One of the first was David Stuart, an anthropologist from The Mesoamerica Center-University of Texas at Austin, who in a now-deleted Facebook post vented that, “the whole thing is a mess — a terrible example of junk science hitting the Internet in free-fall. The ancient Maya didn’t plot their ancient cities according to constellations. Seeing such patterns is a Rorschach process, since sites are everywhere and so are stars.”

Ancient Mayan City Built on Grid

That post was reported by George Dvorsky at Gizmodo, who also procured the opinion of Thomas Garrison, an anthropologist at USC Dornsife and an expert in remote sensing, that what the satellite images reveal is in fact a relic cornfield, or milpa. “I’d guess it’s been fallow for 10-15 years. This is obvious to anyone that has spent any time at all in the Maya lowlands,” he told Dvorsky.

Dvorsky further solicited the view of Ivan Šprajc from the Institute of Anthropological and Spatial Studies in Slovenia, who said that, “Very few Maya constellations have been identified, and even in these cases we do not know how many and which stars exactly composed each constellation. It is thus impossible to check whether there is any correspondence between the stars and the location of Maya cities.”
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Maksutov wrote:
subgenius wrote:They seemed a little butt-hurt that their profession was performed effectively by a 15yo Canadian.

wonder what the certification requirements are for "archaeoastronomy"?
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Sorry, your boy wonder isn't.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/15-year ... 160511.htm

It was a story that was too good to resist – including for us here at Discovery News — but shortly after the story caught fire, a number of Mayan experts emerged to pour cold water on it all.

One of the first was David Stuart, an anthropologist from The Mesoamerica Center-University of Texas at Austin, who in a now-deleted Facebook post vented that, “the whole thing is a mess — a terrible example of junk science hitting the Internet in free-fall. The ancient Maya didn’t plot their ancient cities according to constellations. Seeing such patterns is a Rorschach process, since sites are everywhere and so are stars.”

Ancient Mayan City Built on Grid

That post was reported by George Dvorsky at Gizmodo, who also procured the opinion of Thomas Garrison, an anthropologist at USC Dornsife and an expert in remote sensing, that what the satellite images reveal is in fact a relic cornfield, or milpa. “I’d guess it’s been fallow for 10-15 years. This is obvious to anyone that has spent any time at all in the Maya lowlands,” he told Dvorsky.

Dvorsky further solicited the view of Ivan Šprajc from the Institute of Anthropological and Spatial Studies in Slovenia, who said that, “Very few Maya constellations have been identified, and even in these cases we do not know how many and which stars exactly composed each constellation. It is thus impossible to check whether there is any correspondence between the stars and the location of Maya cities.”

um...claiming "difficult to check" is not the same as "debunk"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/debunk

The kid has at least justified his position, whereas butt-hurt grant-begging tenure-stupid scientists have just given their "i figure" on the matter:

the real point:
"CSA's Daniel Delisle says the images give an array of information, but experts need to go underneath the forest canopy location to discover if there is anything in it. Nonetheless, the initial images suggest linear features that signify the presence of infrastructures underneath the vegetation."

and this cuts both ways:

“Without a formal, peer-reviewed study of the stars-and-cities hypothesis (and even with one), it’s a bit reckless to run with the conclusion that it has been proven.” That finding was echoed by an anonymous researcher who told Vice that, “the media really ought to wait until after a finding has passed through peer review before making announcements; this discovery would be unlikely to pass such review.” (no irony lost on the fact that the 'anonymous researcher' is also making an announcement of "unlikely".
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