As if Things Were Not Already Scary Enough . . .

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moksha wrote:
“There’s clearly a fifth column here in the United States,” Bannon warned in July 2016. “There’s rot at the center of the Judeo-Christian West,” he said in November 2015. “Secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals,” he argued at the Vatican conference. The “aristocratic Washington class” and the media, he has claimed, are in league with the entire religion of Islam and an expansionist China to undermine Judeo-Christian America.

This Steve Bannon guys sound like an eerie melding of Dr. Strangelove and fellow poster Bgood. Throw in a fiery comet launched by the Adversary and the resemblance would be upgraded to uncanny.


The way I see it, no one can say we weren't warned of the coming Apocalypse.

But it ain't over until the heavenly choir sings.

As in the Rapture. :eek:
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AmyJo wrote:
moksha wrote:This Steve Bannon guys sound like an eerie melding of Dr. Strangelove and fellow poster Bgood. Throw in a fiery comet launched by the Adversary and the resemblance would be upgraded to uncanny.


The way I see it, no one can say we weren't warned of the coming Apocalypse.

But it ain't over until the heavenly choir sings.

As in the Rapture. :eek:



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AmyJo wrote:If countries elect the leaders they deserve, who's to say Steve Bannon is projecting that very belief system into the presidency?

If there is a God who is all knowing and powerful, who's to say he isn't displeased with a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles, that has inwardly rejected him and mocks him outwardly?

If the shoe fits ... the Apocalypse would be the fulfillment of prophecy. It also helps to explain the mindset of the man Trump identifies with and is his chief advisor.


The US was not founded on Judaeo-Christian principles. IE; Treaty of Tripoli
SEE Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 reads:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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The CCC wrote:
AmyJo wrote:If countries elect the leaders they deserve, who's to say Steve Bannon is projecting that very belief system into the presidency?

If there is a God who is all knowing and powerful, who's to say he isn't displeased with a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles, that has inwardly rejected him and mocks him outwardly?

If the shoe fits ... the Apocalypse would be the fulfillment of prophecy. It also helps to explain the mindset of the man Trump identifies with and is his chief advisor.


The US was not founded on Judaeo-Christian principles. IE; Treaty of Tripoli
SEE Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 reads:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.


"Judeo-Christian Values have a foundational role in America, beginning with the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."
Since the pursuit of happiness, as Sigmund Freud surmised, is tied to human love and to creative work and play, the principles of American Judeo-Christian Values can rightly be summarized as the honoring of God-given Life, Liberty and Creativity. This seed of American Social Justice was then fleshed out in the U.S. Constitution through reason and common sense, unencumbered by the dysfunctional religious and secular traditions and laws of Old Europe.

Our Founding Fathers separated church from state, but they wisely did not separate God from state; they acknowledged God as the source of our rights, and, in fact, they were careful to place Biblical morality directly into our founding documents and laws, and into our values and culture precisely to help prevent a future of totalitarian or tyrannical rule in America. The combination of keeping Judeo-Christian religious morality in the state, as opposed to the church it's self; and, additionally, setting up our laws based on reason and common sense has contributed to the American Character, and to what is known as "American Exceptionalism."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/ ... z4YDM544pp
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Or "Our nation's history provides overwhelming evidence that America was birthed upon Judeo-Christian principles. The first act of America's first Congress in 1774 was to ask a minister to open with prayer and to lead Congress in the reading of four chapters of the Bible. In 1776, in approving the Declaration of Independence, our founders acknowledged that all men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." and noted that they were relying "on the protection of Divine Providence" in the founding of this country. John Quincy Adams said, "The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity." Also, the signers of the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, insisted the treaty begin with the phrase, "In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity."

In 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol building as a church. Both chambers approved the measure, with president of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson, giving the approval in that chamber. Throughout his terms as both vice president and president, Jefferson attended church at the Capitol, including Jan. 3, 1802, just two days after writing his infamous letter in which he penned the phrase "the wall of separation between church and state." Nearly 100 years later, in 1892, in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, the United States Supreme Court held that America is a "Christian nation."

Presidents Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan all referenced the importance of Judeo-Christian principles in the birth and growth of our country. In fact, President Franklin Roosevelt led our nation in a six-minute prayer before the invasion of Normandy, the greatest military invasion in history where freedom was protected for the world, asking God to preserve our Christian civilization. After that great war, Congress came together and jointly recognized that our strength was not in our weapons, our economic institutions, or the wisdom of our committees—it is in God. Congress therefore adopted "In God We Trust" as our national motto and it was engraved in the wall in front of which the speaker of the House of Representatives stands.

So, if America was birthed upon Judeo-Christian principles, at what point in time did our nation cease to be Judeo-Christian? It was not when a small minority tried to remove the name of God from our public buildings and monuments. It was not when they tried to remove God from our veterans' flag folding ceremonies or take the motto off of our coins. Nor was it when this small minority fought to banish prayer from our schools, strip the 10 Commandments from our courtrooms, or remove the phrase "one nation under God" from the new Capitol Visitor Center.

No, the answer is clear: While America has always welcomed individuals of diverse faiths and nonfaith, we have never ceased to be a Judeo-Christian nation. That small minority could tear references of faith off of every building and document across our nation, but it would not change the fact that we were built on Judeo-Christian principles. Indeed, these beliefs are so interwoven into the tapestry of freedom and liberty upon which our nation is built that to begin to unravel one is to begin to unravel the other.

To those who feel we have ceased to be a Judeo-Christian nation, I would invite them to reexamine these principles and read H.Res.397, America's Spiritual Heritage Resolution, which chronicles some of the highlights of our nation's spiritual historical milestones and establishes a week for Americans to remember and reflect on these principles. If they do, I believe they will conclude as President Dwight Eisenhower did that, "Without God, there could be no American form of Government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first—the most basic—expression of Americanism. Thus the Founding Fathers saw it, and thus, with God's help, it will continue to be."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ian-nation
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The US was founded on the principles of the enlightenment, including separation of church and state, individual liberty, democracy and rationalism, pseudohistorians notwithstanding.
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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Lemmie wrote:
Who's to say a coming Apocalypse would not be a judgment upon a wicked, perverse, and a stiff-necked generation of vipers who have turned their back on God?

Maybe you meant this in a gallows-humor sort of way, but I'm going to be a party pooper and say I didn't find it funny or appropriate at all.

AmyJo wrote:If there is a God who is all knowing and powerful, who's to say he isn't displeased with a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles, that has inwardly rejected him and mocks him outwardly?

If the shoe fits ... the Apocalypse would be the fulfillment of prophecy. It also helps to explain the mindset of the man Trump identifies with and is his chief advisor.

Those are gigantic, some might even say, non-existent, "ifs".
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Maksutov wrote:
AmyJo wrote:The way I see it, no one can say we weren't warned of the coming Apocalypse.

But it ain't over until the heavenly choir sings.

As in the Rapture. :eek:



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Res Ipsa wrote:The US was founded on the principles of the enlightenment, including separation of church and state, individual liberty, democracy and rationalism, pseudohistorians notwithstanding.


The enlightenment was ushered in by a Jewish theologian, philosopher Moses Mendelssohn (also an ancestor of mine.) It is what the Jews used to reform Judaism by.

Hence, the "judeo" aspect you yourself have mentioned is incorporated into the "enlightenment."

It also didn't prevent the Jews from being murdered by Hitler's henchmen, even as they have been historically leaders in the moral fiber and backbone of civilization.

Hitler blamed "morality" on the Judeo-Christian ethics. By ridding the world of the Jews, he mistakenly believed he was ridding the world of the moral code they lived and died by.

Only it backfired on him, and he lost.
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AmyJo wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:The US was founded on the principles of the enlightenment, including separation of church and state, individual liberty, democracy and rationalism, pseudohistorians notwithstanding.


The enlightenment was ushered in by a Jewish theologian, philosopher Moses Mendelssohn (also an ancestor of mine.) It is what the Jews used to reform Judaism by.

Hence, the "judeo" aspect you yourself have mentioned is incorporated into the "enlightenment."

It also didn't prevent the Jews from being murdered by Hitler's henchmen, even as they have been historically leaders in the moral fiber and backbone of civilization.

Hitler blamed "morality" on the Judeo-Christian ethics. By ridding the world of the Jews, he mistakenly believed he was ridding the world of the moral code they lived and died by.

Only it backfired on him, and he lost.


While Moses is credited with ushering in what's called the Jewish enlightenment, he certainly did not usher in what is referred to as "the enlightenment."
​“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
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AmyJo wrote:"Judeo-Christian Values have a foundational role in America, beginning with the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."
Since the pursuit of happiness, as Sigmund Freud surmised, is tied to human love and to creative work and play, the principles of American Judeo-Christian Values can rightly be summarized as the honoring of God-given Life, Liberty and Creativity. This seed of American Social Justice was then fleshed out in the U.S. Constitution through reason and common sense, unencumbered by the dysfunctional religious and secular traditions and laws of Old Europe.

Our Founding Fathers separated church from state, but they wisely did not separate God from state; they acknowledged God as the source of our rights, and, in fact, they were careful to place Biblical morality directly into our founding documents and laws, and into our values and culture precisely to help prevent a future of totalitarian or tyrannical rule in America. The combination of keeping Judeo-Christian religious morality in the state, as opposed to the church it's self; and, additionally, setting up our laws based on reason and common sense has contributed to the American Character, and to what is known as "American Exceptionalism."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/ ... z4YDM544pp
Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Or "Our nation's history provides overwhelming evidence that America was birthed upon Judeo-Christian principles. The first act of America's first Congress in 1774 was to ask a minister to open with prayer and to lead Congress in the reading of four chapters of the Bible. In 1776, in approving the Declaration of Independence, our founders acknowledged that all men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." and noted that they were relying "on the protection of Divine Providence" in the founding of this country. John Quincy Adams said, "The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity." Also, the signers of the 1783 Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolutionary War, insisted the treaty begin with the phrase, "In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity."

In 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol building as a church. Both chambers approved the measure, with president of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson, giving the approval in that chamber. Throughout his terms as both vice president and president, Jefferson attended church at the Capitol, including Jan. 3, 1802, just two days after writing his infamous letter in which he penned the phrase "the wall of separation between church and state." Nearly 100 years later, in 1892, in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, the United States Supreme Court held that America is a "Christian nation."

Presidents Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan all referenced the importance of Judeo-Christian principles in the birth and growth of our country. In fact, President Franklin Roosevelt led our nation in a six-minute prayer before the invasion of Normandy, the greatest military invasion in history where freedom was protected for the world, asking God to preserve our Christian civilization. After that great war, Congress came together and jointly recognized that our strength was not in our weapons, our economic institutions, or the wisdom of our committees—it is in God. Congress therefore adopted "In God We Trust" as our national motto and it was engraved in the wall in front of which the speaker of the House of Representatives stands.

So, if America was birthed upon Judeo-Christian principles, at what point in time did our nation cease to be Judeo-Christian? It was not when a small minority tried to remove the name of God from our public buildings and monuments. It was not when they tried to remove God from our veterans' flag folding ceremonies or take the motto off of our coins. Nor was it when this small minority fought to banish prayer from our schools, strip the 10 Commandments from our courtrooms, or remove the phrase "one nation under God" from the new Capitol Visitor Center.

No, the answer is clear: While America has always welcomed individuals of diverse faiths and nonfaith, we have never ceased to be a Judeo-Christian nation. That small minority could tear references of faith off of every building and document across our nation, but it would not change the fact that we were built on Judeo-Christian principles. Indeed, these beliefs are so interwoven into the tapestry of freedom and liberty upon which our nation is built that to begin to unravel one is to begin to unravel the other.

To those who feel we have ceased to be a Judeo-Christian nation, I would invite them to reexamine these principles and read H.Res.397, America's Spiritual Heritage Resolution, which chronicles some of the highlights of our nation's spiritual historical milestones and establishes a week for Americans to remember and reflect on these principles. If they do, I believe they will conclude as President Dwight Eisenhower did that, "Without God, there could be no American form of Government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first—the most basic—expression of Americanism. Thus the Founding Fathers saw it, and thus, with God's help, it will continue to be."

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... ian-nation


Name one country that doesn't have principles of Life. Liberty, and as Jefferson wrote, and Franklin changed, Property, at least for its citizens. by the way Jefferson, and other Founders were Deists, the least religious form of Theist there is.

The Declaration of Independence is not a legally binding document. We're not a war with England. Nor has it been binding since the Articles of Confederation; the Colonies fought the American Revolution under.

by the way It was Thomas Jefferson who said "It does me no injury for my neighbor to believe in no Gods or 20 Gods. It neither breaks my legs nor picks me pocket". Plus Jefferson edited his Bible to remove all references to miracles and the divinity of Jesus.

The Treaty of Tripoli is a binding legal document equal to the US Constitution.
SEE Treaties are equal to the US Constitution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_S ... nstitution

There can be no religious test for any public office or office of trust in the US. Plus the government can't tell you what you have to believe, and you can't force to government to teach your religion. Without the freedom from religion the freedom of religion is oxymoronic.

We never were and hopeful never will be a Judaeo-Christian nation. Go through your 10 Commandments sometime. There are perhaps 2-3(don't murder, and don't steal) that have any bearing on US law. Definitely the 1st one(Don't have any Gods before me) doesn't. Hell; our Pilgrim, and the Puritans fathers, fled England because they wanted to worship as they pleased.
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