The Church manages to keep energy inefficiency sacred.

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The Church manages to keep energy inefficiency sacred.

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I mean, secret.

Salt Lake City officials have toned down plans to tune up energy-inefficient buildings after pressure from legislators, business leaders and a real estate arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The capital's Sustainability Department on Tuesday presented the City Council with an updated and scaled-back version of a proposed ordinance that council members had tabled in January.

The earlier version would have required owners of buildings larger than 25,000 square feet to report those buildings' energy efficiency scores — all of which the city would have published — and to implement tuneups.

Under the revised ordinance, many buildings would be exempt from reporting scores, and of those owners who were forced to report, only high performers would be outed. Tuneups, for all, would be voluntary.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/5499421-155/ ... -ordinance

What have they got to hide?
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Under the revised ordinance, many buildings would be exempt from reporting scores, and of those owners who were forced to report, only high performers would be outed. Tuneups, for all, would be voluntary.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/5499421-155/ ... -ordinance

What have they got to hide?


I'm not sure why legislators would care although why the real estate wing would care is obvious. It affects resale values. Hopefully they implement this later.
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I have a question wrote:I mean, secret.

Salt Lake City officials have toned down plans to tune up energy-inefficient buildings after pressure from legislators, business leaders and a real estate arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The capital's Sustainability Department on Tuesday presented the City Council with an updated and scaled-back version of a proposed ordinance that council members had tabled in January.

The earlier version would have required owners of buildings larger than 25,000 square feet to report those buildings' energy efficiency scores — all of which the city would have published — and to implement tuneups.

Under the revised ordinance, many buildings would be exempt from reporting scores, and of those owners who were forced to report, only high performers would be outed. Tuneups, for all, would be voluntary.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/5499421-155/ ... -ordinance

What have they got to hide?


The Church probably has a huge number of buildings that are decades old and weren't designed or built with efficiency in mind. The cost on this could have been astronomical.
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cinepro wrote:The Church probably has a huge number of buildings that are decades old and weren't designed or built with efficiency in mind. The cost on this could have been astronomical.


Well if they were to convert all the buildings. But I think the idea is to first provide an incentive to improve and then provide a gauge of improvement.

Now certainly some buildings are going to be awful like the SLC Temple or the Lion House. But some probably should be improved like chapels and stake centers or the Church Office Building.
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ClarkGoble wrote:I'm not sure why legislators would care although why the real estate wing would care is obvious. It affects resale values. Hopefully, they implement this later.

When the Church decides to liquidate the Salt Lake Temple it will be a seller's market. It is built sturdy and boasts the most unusual hot tub of all. Plus, the roof ornament gets good radio reception. All those tunnels would make it convenient to pop over to the Alta Club or the DelMar Lounge unseen.
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Brigham Young received revelation to install elevator shafts, but he didn't receive revelation to make the buildings energy efficient?
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DarkHelmet wrote:Brigham Young received revelation to install elevator shafts, but he didn't receive revelation to make the buildings energy efficient?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That the Church wants to suppress the information means it's not looking good financially.
Perhaps energy efficiency scores are sacred...

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"We believe in being honest, true....except when it will cost us money"


that's true at a deep level. Honesty interferes with maximizing tithing profits, and so that's why the Church encourages self-evaluation when it comes to paying tithing and doesn't clarify what 10% means. Those prone to anxiety, self-doubt, and low self-esteem will pay the maximum out of fear. The bolder Saints learn to understand the game of "don't ask don't tell" and pay what they will. And interestingly, it's those who learn to play fast and loose with the truth who become pragmatic assets for the Church, and are substantially more likely to rise through the ranks of leadership. Tapping a straight-and-narrow literalist is risky -- just look at Tom Murphy.

If you were to do a comparison, I'd bet that becoming a GA is similar to getting patched into the Hell's Angels in personal requirements.

I am also a literalist, but then again, if there is a God, then so is God.
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cinepro wrote:The Church probably has a huge number of buildings that are decades old and weren't designed or built with efficiency in mind. The cost on this could have been astronomical.


Can't they just get some of those same stones Jared's brother had?
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toon wrote:
cinepro wrote:The Church probably has a huge number of buildings that are decades old and weren't designed or built with efficiency in mind. The cost on this could have been astronomical.


Can't they just get some of those same stones Jared's brother had?


:lol: :lol:
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