Another Report: Trump Lied again

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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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MeDotOrg wrote:
honorentheos wrote:[snip]...And frankly more people loved it than will admit it. Some people loved the fact he wasn't the person the party was trying to sell them as the front-runner. Some loved the middle finger he represented to what they saw as the sissyfication of America, and some thought a billionaire would be the right guy to run a country. He took out his opponents one by one using reality tv tactics and even people who didn't care for establishment Republican party politics would brashly say they were entertaining voting for him if the alternative was Clinton...

What gets me is that this is exactly where we are today, except that more and more people see the picture that is forming between the dots. But it doesn't matter. It didn't matter then, and even if most of the nation gets to where they can't miss the picture it paints of a dangerously naïve and narcissistic bigot gaining the Presidency it doesn't change the underlying dynamics that got us here. It's not like people are stepping back and saying, "Let's consider how we got here and what we need to do differently." If Trump had been minimally competent and been able to help congress pass meaningful legislation I'd bet we would see the majority of the Nation ignoring the Russia issue.

The world hasn't changed, it's not even really being that much better illuminated as crazier and crazier ____ gets revealed. The scales aren't falling from people's eyes. There's just a momentum building is all, and it has less to do with any particular chain of events as it seems to have to do with the overall vibe people have.

And that's still scary.


First of all, very nice piece of writing.

In Greek Mythology, Zeus gave Cassandra the gift of prophesy to seduce her, then cursed her so that no one would believe her prophesies when she rejected him.

There was a Cassandra-like quality to the past fall. I remember thinking the Republicans doomed themselves when they nominated Trump. Like Cassandra, the prophesies of doom fell on deaf ears. You're right: the lines are being connected between the dots, and Trump supporters still don't give a damn. Many mainstream Republicans would privately admit that they don't trust the man, but his ideological flexibility gives them the opportunity to accomplish the impossible dream: dismantling the Federal bureaucracy.

The Republicans have the majority in most state houses, the House, the Senate, the Executive branch, and if you're counting ideological influence, the Supreme Court. They wield considerable power right now, but demographically the future does not look good. If the Trump Presidency goes down in flames, it could be an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party.

Thomas Jefferson said slavery was like holding a wolf by the ears. You didn't like it, but you didn't dare let go. I think many Republicans feel the same way about Trump. If they can just keep him under control until they can pass their agenda...eyes on the prize and all. They are so close to the finish line. They exert influence over most of America. It's now or never.

That explains Trump's sway with the old Party regulars. It doesn't explain the Trump supporters who still think he's on the right track, but being stymied by the Fake Media and the Deep State's witch hunt on the Russia thing.

The Cassandras said that Trump's views didn't comport with the way that government worked. Now that this being validated, his supporters are saying the problem isn't with Trump's views, it's with everybody else. And now that he's President, that includes most of the rest of the world as well.

Fared Zakaria said it best: Trump is a ____ artist. He plays the room, he wins the room. But the lies and the inconsistencies from room to room don't seem to bother his supporters. Donald Trump is the shiny object that distracts them from the truth.

The coalition of traditional Republicans and Trump supporters that make the fabric of the Republican majority has not yet been sorely tested by 'the Russia thing'. I think there are Trump supporters that will excuse his actions, even if there was active coordination between his campaign and the Russian government. Some voters are that angry, that immature and that nihilistic.

If ever there was a issue to see Trump's nihilism, it is health care. Now that it appears that replacing Obamacare is dead, Trump cannot walk away and admit defeat. He now floats the idea that it is better to let Obamacare die, which will force the Democrats to the table.

In short, he is willing to blackmail the Democrats using the health of millions of Americans as his bargaining chip. Hopefully most Republicans will reject this idea.


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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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Someone mentioned health care up thread and I replied.

Is Bernie Sanders the only person who blessed gets it?

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Jersey Girl wrote:
What needs to happen in ever increasing numbers is for voters to contact their reps and not stop until they either repair Obamacare or come up with a new health care plan that doesn't screw over the most vulnerable and needy members of this society. The only power we have as voters this very day is the power to pressure the living hell out of our representatives in D.C. and threaten their jobs.


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subgenius wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:Ah look, another sub-genius post I'm seeing because someone quoted it.

that is because you are not only a moron - you are also a coward.

I agree with Schmo that you are powerful evidence of the dismaying success of the well funded efforts of corporate (especially fossil fuel industry) and conservative disinformation campaigns to dumb down Americans.
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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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"We have to get more people elected" ~ Trump. Meaning Republicans in reference to the failed "reconciled" health care bill. The man is so full of crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih5O4zUyCOU

He says this in full public view and with a straight face.
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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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Gunnar wrote:
subgenius wrote:that is because you are not only a moron - you are also a coward.

I agree with Schmo that you are powerful evidence of the dismaying success of the well funded efforts of corporate (especially fossil fuel industry) and conservative disinformation campaigns to dumb down Americans.

The sad thing is that he doesn't even realize he's among the many conned.

But hey, I can take heart in knowing he thinks I'm a moron. Coming from him, that feels like a compliment.
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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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Some Schmo wrote:
Gunnar wrote:I agree with Schmo that you are powerful evidence of the dismaying success of the well funded efforts of corporate (especially fossil fuel industry) and conservative disinformation campaigns to dumb down Americans.

The sad thing is that he doesn't even realize he's among the many conned.

But hey, I can take heart in knowing he thinks I'm a moron. Coming from him, that feels like a compliment.


The conned rarely admit to being conned. The most pathetic thing is when they call the rest of us "sheeple" while they goose step in formation to Fox News.
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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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Some Schmo wrote:We live in a world where, based on your opinion of gun control, I have an excellent chance at accurately predicting your view on abortion, climate change, immigration and economic systems. What do any of those things have to do with each other? Nothing, except that people tend to identify with a team and then form their opinion based on what their team is telling them. It's lazy thinking.


Wouldn't the common thread on those issues be the (perceived) choice between resisting government power and intrusion vs. using government power to try and make the country and the world a better place (as defined by certain people)?

Except for abortion, it would seem most conservatives favor more government intervention and liberals would favor less. Libertarians would probably be the most consistent across the board.
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Would you expect a Libertarian to be for abortion rights, or against abortion rights?
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Re: Another Report: Trump Lied again

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In addition to the information below, we are now told that no American official was present at the after-dinner meeting, not even an interpreter (Putin made sure to have his own, of course). That means Trump had no means of knowing whether his words to Putin were being correctly rendered, not could he tell whether the sense of Putin's words to him was accurately conveyed. Moreover, no note of the meeting was made by any American (you can bet that what was said was recorded by the Russians and is being sniggered over somewhere in the Kremlin as I type these words). Somehow, I suspect that this is not normal procedure for any world leader, let alone the President of the United States.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40651502

And this is the great dealmaker, the master negotiator? He thinks it wise to have a chat ALONE and without any backup with the leader of a major power with whom US relations (and the relations of major US allies) are currently tense, to say that least? Under such circumstances, there are no 'little chats that don't matter'. He seems just plain naïve. And let us remind ourselves (if we needed to) that Trump has never, ever, uttered a word of criticism of Putin despite repeated opportunities. What is going on here?

Alas, it is beginning to seem rather obvious.

Chap wrote:
The CCC wrote:Drumpf apparently held a second secret meeting with Putin.
SEE http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/reveale ... 20-summit/



Political scientist Ian Bremmer on Tuesday revealed that Donald Trump had a second, unreported meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin during the annual G-20 summit in Hamburg, Germany.

According to Bremmer, this informal meeting took place on the sidelines of the conference, and recalled similar meetings between Jeff Sessions and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak—conversations the attorney general failed to disclose on his security clearance forms.

Bremmer explained that in addition to his widely-reported 2-hour long meeting with Putin, Trump also had an hour-long meeting that evening with the Russian president “that no one’s really heard of.”

“We clearly know that Trump does not care what the media has to say about his desire to have a close, personal relationship with the Russian president, and what drives it,” Bremmer said.

“Never in my life as a political scientist have I seen two countries with a constellation of national interests that are as dissident, while the two leader seem to be doing everything possible to make nice,” he added. “That’s what people don’t understand.”

Bremmer said Trump’s desire to pal around with Putin leaves himself and other political scientist “flummoxed.”
The one policy that Trump has been remarkably consist on is Russia,” Bremmer added.


And there is an interesting video interview ....

What happened in the unreported meeting? Don't the American people have a right to know what their President is talking about?
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