LDS prof. fired from BYU over LGBT support Facebook post.

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LDS prof. fired from BYU over LGBT support Facebook post.

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A lifelong Mormon was fired from her job as an adjunct professor by Brigham Young University-Idaho after she refused to recant her support for LGBT rights.

Ruthie Robertson was allowed to finish out her summer course teaching political science, but the university canceled her contracted classes for the fall and winter semesters, reported KUTV-TV.

She wrote a Facebook post June 5 calling out the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for opposing LGBT rights, and she professed her support for her gay friends and loved ones.

“Most Christian faiths label homosexuality as a sin based on archaic writings,” Robertson wrote. “A few hateful verses in the Old Testament have led to hundreds of years of prejudice, hatred, violence, and pain. If we’re going to follow the Old Testament, and use it to justify a hateful stance, there are several other things we need to start condemning and punishing.”

The post went viral, and someone reported Robertson within hours to her employer — who she said implied her job was safe if she recanted her statement, but she refused.

“I could not take it back,” Robertson said.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/i-coul ... book-post/


Which is interesting considering back in March 2015...
An LDS apostle reaffirmed recently that Mormons who support gay marriage are not in danger of losing their temple privileges or church memberships — even though the Utah-based faith opposes the practice.

In an interview Friday with KUTV in Salt Lake City, Elder D. Todd Christofferson said that individuals in the 15 million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be in trouble only for "supporting organizations that promote opposition or positions in opposition to the church's."

Backing marriage equality on social media sites, including on Facebook or Twitter, "is not an organized effort to attack our effort," Christofferson said in the interview, "or our functioning as a church."

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/2301174-155 ... y-marriage

The article continues...
The KUTV interviewer asked further if a Latter-day Saint could "hold those beliefs even though they are different from what you teach at the pulpit?"

Yes, the apostle answered.

"Our approach in all of this, as [Mormon founder] Joseph Smith said, is persuasion. You can't use the priesthood and the authority of the church to dictate. You can't compel, you can't coerce. It has to be persuasion, gentleness and love unfeigned, as the words in the scripture."

Christofferson echoed this sentiment in two January interviews with The Salt Lake Tribune.

"There hasn't been any litmus test or standard imposed that you couldn't support that if you want to support it, if that's your belief and you think it's right," Christofferson said after a Jan. 27 news conference.

At that time, he and fellow apostles Jeffrey R. Holland and Dallin H. Oaks spoke to reporters about the LDS Church's intention to support nondiscrimination legislation for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community as long as the measure provides some religious exemptions. The Utah Legislature passed such landmark legislation last week — with the blessing of the state's predominant faith.

Any Mormon can have a belief "on either side of this issue," he said. "That's not uncommon."

Christofferson made the point again in a Trib Talk interview Jan. 29.

He was asked about Latter-day Saints who support same-sex marriage privately among family and friends or publicly by posting entries on Facebook, marching in pride parades or belonging to gay-friendly organizations such as Affirmation or Mormons Building Bridges? Can they do so without the threat of losing their church membership or temple privileges?

"We have individual members in the church with a variety of different opinions, beliefs and positions on these issues and other issues," Christofferson said. " ... In our view, it doesn't really become a problem unless someone is out attacking the church and its leaders — if that's a deliberate and persistent effort and trying to get others to follow them, trying to draw others away, trying to pull people, if you will, out of the church or away from its teachings and doctrines."


It would be interesting to see this case taken to court.
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More evidence that my alma mater is an overhyped seminary. :rolleyes: "The Campus is our World"
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I have a question wrote:It would be interesting to see this case taken to court.

Even if the court found the firing to be bigoted and stupid, they would never-the-less rule in favor of the religious right to demand that their employees be bigoted and stupid.

It was naïve of the BYU-Idaho Professor to believe that the Church would ever sanction freedom of thought or speech in one of its institutions. As Juliann once pointed out, "We're private so we can do anything we like".
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I can see a distinction between a church member and a church employee. Her termination from the school doesn't necessarily contradict what Christofferson said. While her employment has ended, her church membership apparently hasn't been impacted.

I also don't see the basis for any legal claim.

But this serves as a reminder to students, professors, prospective students and professors, anyone considering a BYU-I alum for an employment position, etc., that BYU-I is not like other accredited institutions. That the type of education provided is substantively different than what you see at institutions that actually allow and protect academic freedom. I imagine BYU-I sees this as a good thing. But many see it as a negative that undermines the quality of education that you can get there.
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toon wrote:I can see a distinction between a church member and a church employee. Her termination from the school doesn't necessarily contradict what Christofferson said. While her employment has ended, her church membership apparently hasn't been impacted.


Thinking about it, this lady holds a temple recommend and her worthiness to attend the temple remains unquestioned. But she can't hold a job at BYU. Does this mean that BYU hold people to higher standard of behaviour rules than God does?
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I'm beginning to think I'm stemelbow....

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/692 ... ch-let-go/
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The old story of one's conscience struggling against one's religion! Next time take some chloroform to that conscience. BYU is no place to exercise independent thought. The Mantle has ballistic weaponry at its disposal compared to the unarmed innocence of the Intellect.
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The teacher in question had been posting at the exmormon subreddit for the past few weeks as "exmofeministq", and if her posts are any indication of her state of belief, she wasn't long for BYU-I anyway...

https://www.reddit.com/user/exmofeministq
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cinepro wrote:The teacher in question had been posting at the exmormon subreddit for the past few weeks as "exmofeministq", and if her posts are any indication of her state of belief, she wasn't long for BYU-I anyway...

https://www.reddit.com/user/exmofeministq


Working as a bartender now. Obviously just wanted to sin. :wink:
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cinepro wrote:The teacher in question had been posting at the exmormon subreddit for the past few weeks as "exmofeministq", and if her posts are any indication of her state of belief, she wasn't long for BYU-I anyway...

https://www.reddit.com/user/exmofeministq


For clarification, does one have to believe in the Church to be able to teach at BYU?
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