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_lgk68
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My husband & I have an ongoing disagreement. He says if I don't pay 10% tithing off my gross income, I can't renew my temple recommend. I say 10% of my take home pay makes me a full tithe payer. I would really like to hear something definitive and not opinion.
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You're only supposed to pay tithing on your INCREASE. Not your net. Not your gross. So if you invest you pay tithing on dividends. Savings account? The interest. So on and so forth. Only you can figure out your increase since I don't know your finances.

For a more in depth take on tithing you can go to:

http://www.mormonthink.com/tithing.htm#introduction

Just remember the Church doesn't need your money on an individual level. They can say it's all about you and obedience or whatever, but at the end of the day you should only pay tithing on your increase.

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The First Presidency has answered this question in this way: “The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay ‘one-tenth of all their interest annually,’ which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this” (First Presidency letter, Mar. 19, 1970).

In other words, the way you define your income, and consequently your tithing, is a matter between you and the Lord


https://www.lds.org/new-era/2008/02/to- ... s?lang=eng
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All you'll get here is opinion. We're just ordinary humans doing our best. Definitive would come from either the TR interviewer/bishop or God Himself, whichever is most real to you. :wink:
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The recommend question: "Are you a full tithe payer?"

If your honest answer is "yes" then what is the problem? Your opinion on this is the only one that matters.

OTOH, the fact your husband is giving you grief over this is something to be concerned about.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:You're only supposed to pay tithing on your INCREASE. Not your net. Not your gross. So if you invest you pay tithing on dividends. Savings account? The interest. So on and so forth. Only you can figure out your increase since I don't know your finances.

For a more in depth take on tithing you can go to:

http://www.mormonthink.com/tithing.htm#introduction

Just remember the Church doesn't need your money on an individual level. They can say it's all about you and obedience or whatever, but at the end of the day you should only pay tithing on your increase.

- Doc

Increase in what, though? In my net worth? If at the beginning of the year, I am worth $200,000, I earn $125,000, and at the end of the year, I've added $18,000 to my savings and my $200,000 has appreciated to $212,000, with the $18,000, at year's end my worth is $230,000. My increase is $30,000. 10% is $3,000, and paying that would make a full tithe payer, right?

Maybe it ought to be increase in buying power from my net increase. So if inflation were 3.5% that year, then what $200,000 would buy at the beginning of the year would take $207,000 at year's end to buy. So rather than $30,000 increase, I've really only a $23,000 increase and 10% of that is just $2,300 to make my tithe payments full.

It would be a silly rabbit that paid $12,500.
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lgk68 wrote:My husband & I have an ongoing disagreement. He says if I don't pay 10% tithing off my gross income, I can't renew my temple recommend. I say 10% of my take home pay makes me a full tithe payer. I would really like to hear something definitive and not opinion.


Unless your husband is your Bishop, he doesn't get to decide.
The only question you will by your Bishop is if you pay an honest tithe - to which your answer need only be yes or no. So, in summary, whatever you think is de facto the definitive answer on the matter.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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