OJ making his case for parole

[_The CCC]

my excuse? i suppose it is clear that my idiocy is nothing more than a manifestation of your inability to perceive simple facts and concepts.

A jury of his peers found him guilty of Armed Robbery.

ok, but that fact is not under dispute given his obvious appearance at a parole hearing

What pray tell is racist about him serving his full and complete sentence?

because, truly, you only want him serving the sentence because he is black and because you are not willing to accept the "fact" that he was acquitted of an earlier crime (which is ironic given your stated belief in "serving time" which implies that a consideration should be equally given for a person found innocent of a crime)

I say the same thing for any person of any skin color found guilty of a serious crime.

1. His crime was not so serious - ergo the parole hearing
2. you actually do not "say the same thing"... your comments are not a broad condemnation of this nation's parole system, but rather, they are quite narrow in scope and steeped in an event that should be irrelevant now.

"If you can't afford to do the time don't commit the crime."

glad to see you are a fan of Baretta (and how about the irony of you using a phrase made popular by Robert Blake)

but i agree with the sentiment, and while i am a firm believer that rhymes are the most convincing of arguments, it should be noted that with your modified expression you are conceding that one must be willing to surrender themselves to the judgment of the justice system in circumstances such as these...and that is exactly what is happening (er, already happened).

Your paraphrase can be expanded as - don't do the crime if you can't either do the time in a way that either makes you eligible for parole or in a way that gets your parole denied.

Stupid Troll.

I never said he shouldn't have the right to appear before a Parole Board. Armed Robbery isn't an Life without the possibility of parole(LWAP offense). I simply think that anyone convicted of a serious crime should face the full consequence established for that offense, or at a minimum serve 3/4 of that sentence.

His skin color is of no relevance to me. The skin color of the person he armed robbed is of no relevance to me. His money, or lack there of, is no relevance to me. His good behavior while in custody is of no relevance to me. I have no desire for him to be punished for something he did not do. His apparent contrition shown during his parole hearing is admirable, but not one that moves me to cut his sentence by more than 1/2.

Barretta is a long gone TV show. The actor is a real life person named Robert Blake. The phrase predates Barretta by many years. by the way O.J Simpson was a football player and TV/movie actor as if that makes any difference to the crime of Armed Robbery he committed.

[_Dr. Shades]

People can even serve an entire sentence in jail and then still be on parole when they leave...

With all due respect, that's not correct.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

If it costs the taxpayer several million to rehabilitate a drug addict liberals call that a success. $20 trillion in debt, $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities hold no meaning anymore, nor do crippling taxes that hurt the economy. When you live in the world of government funding, there's no real need to do a serious cost benefit analysis because it just looks like some astronomical and incomprehensible number. You never think of the hardship you're imposing upon future generations.

You never have answered my questions as to how many government programs you benefit from and how much you take from the government. You also have never been able to actually form a cogent argument as to what is and what isn't acceptable in the form of taxation and government services.

- Doc

[_The CCC]

you, of course, understand what parole is - correct? Being out of jail does not mean he is not serving a sentence. People can even serve an entire sentence in jail and then still be on parole when they leave...this is an additional punishment.
So, yeah, your habit of talking about stuff you know little about is quite entrenched.

Stupid Troll

Parole is not granted after completion of sentence.
SEE https://www.google.com/search?q=PAROLE& ... 8&oe=utf-8

Probation is not parole, and is not additional punishment.
SEE https://www.google.com/search?q=Probati ... 8&oe=utf-8

Keep up your Stupid Troll behavior.

[_Gunnar]

What are you implying here CCC? That no criminals should ever be offered parole or a shortened sentence, regardless of how exemplary their behavior or their attempts to educate and improve themselves while in prison? Surely you are more compassionate and fair minded than that! Aren't you?

Nothing so dark. If someone doesn't want the consequences of committing a serious crime(Jail or Prison). They shouldn't commit the serious crime in the first place.

I certainly don't argue with that!

I also believe many in prison are guilty of things that shouldn't be crimes, that they are sentenced for too long at time, that too little effort is put into rehabilitation after conviction.

Yes. Those are among the main reasons our country has a higher percentage of its population in prison than almost any other nation on earth. I think most prison sentences handed out in this country are longer than they need or ought to be. Norway, for example, has significantly shorter prison sentences for most, if not all crimes, than we do. They also treat their prisoners much better than we do and give them much more comfortable accommodations.

The most immediate advantage of this is that a much smaller proportion of their population is imprisoned, saving many millions if not billions in taxpayer's money. They also have a much lower recidivism rate than we do, and also much lower crime rates overall, which also saves tons of money. If I recall correctly, they are even closing some of their prisons due to decreasing need. Obviously they are doing something right that we aren't. We ought to be studying and trying to emulate what they are doing that works so well for them. Whatever that is, I'm sure lobbyists for the American correctional facilities industry (especially the privately owned contractual prisons) will probably oppose it tooth and nail to avoid losing any of the billions of tax dollars they get for running our prisons.

From what I understand Armed Robbery in Nevada can get someone 22 years in prison. We can discuss if that is too long or not. But I would expect anyone convicted of such to serve at least 3/4 of that time, and preferably the full legal sentence.

I don't necessarily agree that we need to impose some arbitrary minimum on what proportion of a prison sentence must be served before considering someone for parole or early release. I think that should be carefully considered on a case by case basis.

Keeping your "nose clean" while in custody is the easy part. OJ served less than half of his sentence.

I don't essentially disagree with that, and I appreciate you confirming, as I thought, that you are not as hardnosed and uncompassionate on this issue as your previous post seemed to imply on my first reading of it.

[_Chap]

Norway, for example, has significantly shorter prison sentences for most, if not all crimes, than we do. They also treat their prisoners much better than we do and give them much more comfortable accommodations.

The most immediate advantage of this is that a much smaller proportion of their population is imprisoned, saving many millions if not billions in taxpayer's money. They also have a much lower recidivism rate than we do, and also much lower crime rates overall, which also saves tons of money. If I recall correctly, they are even closing some of their prisons due to decreasing need. Obviously they are doing something right that we aren't. We ought to be studying and trying to emulate what they are doing that works so well for them.

Naah. As subgenius will shortly explain to you, it's all apples and oranges: there's no meaningful comparison, and there never can be one. Anyway, as Majax will no doubt chip in to remind us, it's hard to rob people in Norway because they are all busy being raped by Muslim asylum seekers, and that gets in the way. Hence the artificially low crime rate.

Whatever that is, I'm sure lobbyists for the American correctional facilities industry (especially the privately owned contractual prisons) will probably oppose it tooth and nail to avoid losing any of the billions of tax dollars they get for running our prisons.

Yes. That's quite an interesting situation, isn't it? Create a multi-billion dollar industry that makes its money by lots of people being given long prison sentences. Given the ability of companies to spend freely on political campaigning, what influence might we expect that to have on government policy?

Hmm, that's a hard one ...

[_Gunnar]

Naah. As subgenius will shortly explain to you, it's all apples and oranges: there's no meaningful comparison, and there never can be one. Anyway, as Majax will no doubt chip in to remind us, it's hard to rob people in Norway because they are all busy being raped by Muslim asylum seekers, and that gets in the way. Hence the artificially low crime rate.

Yeah. I can hardly wait for those two to make fools of themselves once again by making those or similar arguments. It will make for some hilarious comic relief, at least.

Yes. That's quite an interesting situation, isn't it? Create a multi-billion dollar industry that makes its money by lots of people being given long prison sentences. Given the ability of companies to spend freely on political campaigning, what influence might we expect that to have on government policy?

Hmm, that's a hard one ...

Riiiiiight! Who could suspect that any undesirable consequences could come from that -- especially with Trump and his administration all setting such sterling examples of honesty, ethics and law abiding for his supporting base to emulate.

[_subgenius]

Naah. As subgenius will shortly explain to you, it's all apples and oranges: there's no meaningful comparison, and there never can be one. Anyway, as Majax will no doubt chip in to remind us, it's hard to rob people in Norway because they are all busy being raped by Muslim asylum seekers, and that gets in the way. Hence the artificially low crime rate.

Yeah. I can hardly wait for those two to make fools of themselves once again by making those or similar arguments. It will make for some hilarious comic relief, at least.

Yes. That's quite an interesting situation, isn't it? Create a multi-billion dollar industry that makes its money by lots of people being given long prison sentences. Given the ability of companies to spend freely on political campaigning, what influence might we expect that to have on government policy?

Hmm, that's a hard one ...

Riiiiiight! Who could suspect that any undesirable consequences could come from that -- especially with Trump and his administration all setting such sterling examples of honesty, ethics and law abiding for his supporting base to emulate.

Nothing could be more comical than what you 2 have already presented in the intellectual void of your circle jerk.
Yes, it is an apple/orange comparison because of several reasons. While Norway is maybe the size of New Mexico (yes, there is a New Mexico) your stats can hardly be compared at any level with seriousness - intellectual seriousness at least, but it does have a great emotional and lemming type of appeal.

For example, the East Tennessee County I live in has dramatically better crime and prison statistics than the US or Norway. So, obviously what we are doing here is even better than Norway. Couple that with the fact that we are, and have been, overwhelmingly Republican at all levels of government you can only conclude (by you level of intelligence) that our way is actually "doing things right".
And this is significantly better within our State - but the statistics for Tennessee are heavily skewed due to the Democratic Party stronghold of West Tennessee (eg Memphis). Which can only conclude (by your intelligence) that the Democrats have created environments where Norway appears to be a better option than Memphis.

So, yeah thanks for the comic relief.

[_The CCC]

New Mexico is a beautiful state, not a country. by the way The small city I live in went for the Democrat is the last Presidential race, and we have a very low crime rate too.

[_Gunnar]

New Mexico is a beautiful state, not a country. by the way The small city I live in went for the Democrat is the last Presidential race, and we have a very low crime rate too.

I thought you once said you lived in or near L.A., which I interpreted to mean Los Angeles. I guess you must have meant Los Alamos. Is that right?