A good move

[_Jersey Girl]

delete

[_Maksutov]

Yeah, let's get rid of the trans people. And the gays. And the Muslims. And the women. Might as well get rid of the Jews and the Atheists and the Catholics and the Mormons, people are uncomfortable around them too...the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to them...whining pussy AntiAmerican snowflakes...

Do you really equate a person's status as a "transgender" with race or religion?

Nope. But what I'm talking about are groups that make people "uncomfortable" and therefore "threaten" the military function. They just happen to be groups that have been segregated and silenced and abused in the past. Not hypothetically. Really. Tell me that there aren't people out there that would cheer for such a thing.

[_MeDotOrg]

Stephen Colbert pointed out tonight that Trump's first tweet on the subject:



...was followed by 9 minutes of silence.

Now let's just assume, for sanity's sake, that there is someone at the Pentagon whose job it is to monitor the tweets of President. Imagine that person's state of mind after 5 minutes of silence...6...7...8...

WTF is going on?



...then the phone calls start going up the ladder: "Uh, sorry to interrupt sir, but we've got a situation here..."

I swear to God, someone needs to make a black comedy in the vein of Dr. Strangelove about this man. I don't know if Alec Baldwin has the comedic range of Peter Sellers (not many do), but the first 6 months of this Presidency are so rich with possibilities...

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

He's just such a crap show of a President. I can't believe there are adults who are supportive of him. At this point I'd rather have Pence in the office just because we need a person who can, at the very least, understand the office and how to be diplomat. We don't need a drunckle in the office. “F”.

- Doc

[_The CCC]

Funny you should mention that. The front page of our local newspaper quotes a local soldier as asking "Was I just fired on Twitter?"

Think about how disrespectful that was. Think about how unsure he is about his future. This isn't a middle school break up, it's the President announcing policy on social media. This goes well beyond eye roll status. US citizens should be livid about the psychological abuse of their armed forces who stand ready to protect and defend.

I'm more than livid. I want this so called President removed from office, and to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

[_The CCC]

Do you really equate a person's status as a "transgender" with race or religion?

What if it were classified as a medical condition? The armed forces have discriminated based on medical conditions for centuries. It's not making a moral judgement about people with those conditions. It's simply saying "You have specific needs and requirements that we are not capable of handling or willing to handle in the course of operations of our military force."

That being said, I'd like to know the reasoning and input Trump got before making this policy change. If a consensus of military leaders were telling him that the cost and logistics of accommodating transgenders was hurting the military, that's one thing. But if he just came up with it himself or someone outside the military suggested he do it, that's something else.

Being transgendered is no more a medical condition than being black is. Your exact same argument was used against blacks.

[_Jersey Girl]

Funny you should mention that. The front page of our local newspaper quotes a local soldier as asking "Was I just fired on Twitter?"

Think about how disrespectful that was. Think about how unsure he is about his future. This isn't a middle school break up, it's the President announcing policy on social media. This goes well beyond eye roll status. US citizens should be livid about the psychological abuse of their armed forces who stand ready to protect and defend.

I'm more than livid. I want this so called President removed from office, and to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.

I can concede that the presence of trans active duty does create complex issues with regard to treatment and budget concerns such as those Cam has raised. That said, the morale and psychological well being (financial and otherwise) of an estimated 6K+ soldiers, airmen, and sailors just took a hit and it took a hit because President chose to sucker punch people who have pledged to sacrifice their very life for their country, via tweet.

How unpresidential is that? How sick, disrespectful and brutal was that? How dishonorable is that?

He'll always have their back? My ass. He just crapped on 6K+ active duty and their dependents.

I'm not only referring to the possible forced separations. I'm referring to the fact that the don't know how or when they'll be discharged, what the nature of their discharge will be (Honorable, general, etc.) they don't know what the terms of their discharge will be, whether or not they'll be eligible for benefits, will their household moves be paid for, or do they simply have to pack up their crap and go fend for themselves with nothing to show for their time in service?

[_Maksutov]

He's just such a ____ show of a President. I can't believe there are adults who are supportive of him. At this point I'd rather have Pence in the office just because we need a person who can, at the very least, understand the office and how to be diplomat. We don't need a drunckle in the office. ____.

- Doc

It's interesting to me how many thoughtful conservatives can't stand him: George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Jennifer Rubin, Christopher Buckley, William Kristol, David Brooks, others. They'll be cleaning up after him for a long time.

The conservative "apologetic" that's developing for Trump is, "He Saved Us from The Bitch". Which justifies anything and everything.

[_The CCC]

Think about how disrespectful that was. Think about how unsure he is about his future. This isn't a middle school break up, it's the President announcing policy on social media. This goes well beyond eye roll status. US citizens should be livid about the psychological abuse of their armed forces who stand ready to protect and defend.

I'm more than livid. I want this so called President removed from office, and to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison.[/quote]

I can concede that the presence of trans active duty does create complex issues with regard to treatment and budget concerns such as those Cam has raised. That said, the morale and psychological well being (financial and otherwise) of an estimated 6K+ soldiers, airmen, and sailors just took a hit and it took a hit because President chose to sucker punch people who have pledged to sacrifice their very life for their country, via tweet.

How unpresidential is that? How sick, disrespectful and brutal was that? How dishonorable is that?

He'll always have their back? My ass. He just crapped on 6K+ active duty and their dependents.

I'm not only referring to the possible forced separations. I'm referring to the fact that the don't know how or when they'll be discharged, what the nature of their discharge will be (Honorable, general, etc.) they don't know what the terms of their discharge will be, whether or not they'll be eligible for benefits, will their household moves be paid for, or do they simply have to pack up their ____ and go fend for themselves with nothing to show for their time in service?[/quote]

He's done far more crap to our military than just to our transgendered military personnel. John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured. Our individual soldiers stole the money in Iraq. Our Generals are at fault when he ordered an ill conceived strike in Yemen that killed an American soldier. He knows more than the Generals about how to fight a war. We have a powerful armada going in the wrong direction of North Korea. He tells the Russians about Israeli penetration of ISIS. His personal golf weekends costs the US more in 6 months than all that transgendered military personnel do in a whole year. The man is a dangerous insane demagogue.

[Guest]

"Intellect focus failure."

The OP doesn't speak to readiness, but please show us yet another intellect focus failure*.
*there are countless examples of people being disqualified for military service due to medical reasons. Just because you are beating the protest du jour *doesn't mean everyone has to dance to your beat....*besides, you haven't any addressed the fundamental cause behind the ban...*because you can't...*it's easier for your position to move the goal posts.
Give it a rest*
That crap argument for feebly trying to equate transgender with Blacks or women is a pathetic emotional appeal that just comes across as stupidity*

* ='s 'intellect focus grammar'

Dude. If you're going to be a raging dickhole you might as well at least try to not look like a middle school dropout.

- Doc

yeah, because nothing says intellect and sophistication than the expression "raging dickhole" - nice credentials yourself, pot....lead by example was never a phrase tossed your way, eh?