lds Apostle TO VP of Zimbabwe: "we are not a wealthy people"

[_Mormonicious]

I stand corrected. Mormon man god and Mormon Bastard jebus might have been misguided when they instructed Stinkley to build us a Mall so all can come and see our greatness.

Shopping malls see tsunami of store closures and falling traffic https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnbfcN

Could be Elder Asshole Andersen knows something we mere Morgbots don't

[_moksha]

He noted that Vice President Mohadi had made a specific request for support with the development of clean-water wells in more remote areas of Zimbabwe.

“We want to help in every way we can,” said Elder Andersen. “We are not a wealthy people but we are good people, and we share what we have,” he added.

Sounds like a preface for a price tag. Sort of like when a teenage daughter asks you for a wad of cash, you have to negotiate with her by reminding her you are not made of cash before you get down to the nitty gritty of how much she can have.

Has the Church ever helped with infrastructure projects before?

[_oliblish]

There are tens of thousands of full time missionaries out available to put to good use. Why not use just a fraction of them to work on providing clean water to the people of Africa? This seems like a no brainer...

[_mentalgymnast]

There are tens of thousands of full time missionaries out available to put to good use. Why not use just a fraction of them to work on providing clean water to the people of Africa? This seems like a no brainer...

https://news.byu.edu/news/students-buil ... lage-drill

http://www.blacklds.org/634/mormon-huma ... -in-africa

It's not too hard to imagine that a majority of these folks were missionaries...and are now, in a sense, service missionaries. They did their proselyting, now they're doing service making a big difference in the lives of their brothers and sisters in Africa.

Granted, they are a tiny fraction...but oh, what a difference they can make.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

So I looked at the links in the last post, and found neither of them had any bearing on the OP topic.

In the first link, an article discusses a byu group mentioned above worked with WHOlives.org, a nonprofit that has only been in existence since 2015. In 2017, its total expenses were about $240,000, with half of that going to salaries, wages, payroll taxes, and pension funds. The article says the drill was created in 2011. The only information about donations is a comment about 2 sources in 2013, U. S. Syncretic and the Shipment family foundation.

So, nothing at all to do with the OP or lds church finances or wealth, or even missionary work, a side topic.

In the second link, there is this:

According to church records, in the past seven years, more than four million Africans in 17 countries have gained access to clean drinking water through Mormon humanitarian efforts to sink or rehabilitate boreholes.

Hoping for more specifics, I followed the hyperlink in the article, and got to a page with this:

The Church’s clean water projects in Africa have helped people in places such as Sierra Leone, the central African city of Luputa and the Congolese villages Tshiabobo, Mafumba, Kasha and Ibola. These projects have blessed the lives of nearly four million Africans since 2003.

So, still no details, but another hyperlink, which I followed to this:

In 2002, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints began an initiative to improve the health of communities by providing access to clean water sources.

•Water sources depend on the area and needs of the communities, but may include wells, water storage, delivery systems or water purification systems.

•Community members are involved in the planning and implementation of each project and provide most of the labor for the project. Community representatives are then trained on the maintenance of the system installed.

I stopped there, after reading labor is provided by community members.

So again, the two links have no relation to the OP, except to add the distressing news that it looks like the lds church counts the labor of the people being helped as part of the value of the donations.

Returning to the topic, why did Anderson feel the need to assert "we are not a wealthy people"? It is clearly not true.

[_Gadianton]

Maybe what he meant was that they are a filthy rich people?

[_Lemmie]

Maybe what he meant was that they are a filthy rich people?

[_Gadianton]

well these new saints have a big lesson to learn about how the church operates.

When the Hawaii temple burned down, the Church asked the members for donations to rebuilt it. But wait, what about just cashing in on that fire insurance policy? Well, no, there is no fire insurance because the Church self-insurance. Oh, I get it. Well, then why don't they just pay for it then out of all that extra cash they've saved by not paying insurance premiums? That's what it means to self-insure, right? Huh. Well, why not give the members the opportunity for more blessings?

Could be Elder Asshole Andersen knows something we mere Morgbots don't

Depends on what you mean, everyone knew that Hincker's mall was a huge money pit. Nothing about any numbers reported made sense at all, despite several finance dunces as MDDB trying to explain it. But no, Anderson doesn't know that the Church is now poor because it f'd up an investment, it's quite the opposite. They'll do just fine no matter how many business close. See above for the first reason why. The second reason why is that a real estate company masquerading as a church, they have all kinds of tax advantages that allow them to assume more risk.

Ironically, their ill-gotten easy way of producing cash is a moral hazard and contributes to worse investment choices. The Saints are actually just throwing their money down the garbage disposal.

[_moksha]

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/africa-clean-water
The Africa clean water project.

[_mentalgymnast]

So I looked at the links in the last post, and found neither of them had any bearing on the OP topic.

Responding to Oblish.

He asked a question and I gave some information that demonstrates the fact that return missionaries, one would expect anyway, are playing and integral part in developing water projects with new technology which is providing fresh water for many Africans. Moksha then followed up later in the thread with additional information in regards to the great good the church is doing in Africa. Sometimes threads take a bit of a detour in order to answer and/or comment on a poster's question.

If you're disappointed the thread took a one post turn towards the positive, then what can I say.

Regards,
MG