Mormonicious wrote:Have any of you been to Tonga? Does the Nation of Tonga have a daily significance in your lives? Have you even BOUGHT something the says Made in Tonga.
Nope, yep, nope. I would buy stuff if they sold anything in Australia.
The church in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane is filled with Tongans. Israel Folau, who's Tongan, is Australia's best rugby player. He was Mormon until his whole family and most of his ward in Brisbane left after the church tried to stop the members speaking Tongan at Church. Really dumb move by the Church.
But they may have dodged a bullet, because Folau is now in the newspaper every second day. He was sacked by Rugby Australia for making homophobic comments on Facebook. It was clearly spelt out in his contract, not to make homophobic comments, but he did anyway because he's a self righteous, ignorant prick. He is now suing RA for $10M claiming religious discrimination. It could end up being a landmark case in Australia, but many suspect they'll settle.
What is Folau saying publicly that the Church doesn’t privately believe?
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I have a question wrote:What is Folau saying publicly that the Church doesn’t privately believe?
Very little. The homophobia (Gays go to hell) Folau is spewing now sprouted in fertile LDS soil. The Church is very lucky he left Mormonism about 5 years ago, because the church would be deservedly copping it right now.
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Simon Southerton wrote:He is now suing RA for $10M claiming religious discrimination.
Alleging that his ability to practice the homophobia inherent in his version of Mormonism is being abridged? Could he call President Dallin Oaks as a witness?
I have a question wrote:What is Folau saying publicly that the Church doesn’t privately believe?
Very little. The homophobia (Gays go to hell) Folau is spewing now sprouted in fertile LDS soil. The Church is very lucky he left Mormonism about 5 years ago, because the church would be deservedly copping it right now.
It’s interesting, because on the one hand the LDS Church wants to protect Folau’s right to spew such horrible sentiments under the cover of “freedom of religion”, but on the other society is trying to eradicate hate speech. Where’s the line in the Church’s eyes? When people criticise Mormons, the Church cries “persecution”. When someone persecuted gay people simply for being gay, well, that’s freedom of religion. Apparently.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I took some time to hover about Tonga using Google maps. I had to break the island down and enlarge it by sections to count the number of meeting houses which is a hodgepodge of all kinds of shaped buildings but they are all white topped. Some are smaller, some are medium, some are larger -- if you know what I mean. There doesn't seem to be a standard. Most of the meeting houses look rather tiny.
I counted 52 meeting houses on the island of Tonga. It certainly appears there is a strong Mormon presence on the island and scattered throughout. It's reasonable to conclude that a large percentage of the population has been associated with the church at some point and even today. But over half? That's difficult to conclude.
Shulem wrote:I took some time to hover about Tonga using Google maps. I had to break the island down and enlarge it by sections to count the number of meeting houses which is a hodgepodge of all kinds of shaped buildings but they are all white topped. Some are smaller, some are medium, some are larger -- if you know what I mean. There doesn't seem to be a standard. Most of the meeting houses look rather tiny.
I counted 52 meeting houses on the island of Tonga. It certainly appears there is a strong Mormon presence on the island and scattered throughout. It's reasonable to conclude that a large percentage of the population has been associated with the church at some point and even today. But over half? That's difficult to conclude.
Yeah, some tuff sheds are small, some are medium and some are even large. Why you can get a car or boat into the larger ones.
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I have a question wrote:What is Folau saying publicly that the Church doesn’t privately believe?
The Church doesn't privately believe anything homophobic any more. There's nothing wrong with being LGBTQ any more; as long as you stay obedient you're just fine.
I have a question wrote:What is Folau saying publicly that the Church doesn’t privately believe?
The Church doesn't privately believe anything homophobic any more. There's nothing wrong with being LGBTQ any more; as long as you stay obedient you're just fine.
Look at you trying to derail this thread by throwing a homosexual dart. Shame on you!
Oh, I'll just say that I LOVE being homosexual and I love acting on it too. Is it sin? Hell no. Do I care what the church says about it? Hell no.
