Posting this as requested, this site explains the material.
On another thread Mormonicious posted one of the exit stories. Agree with "church history ruined it for me and everyone I know" even though that's not how it happened for me. Had I not found my own way out, I'm sure church history would have blown it. Unfortunately for the apologists, and for Givens who thinks the Book of Mormon is so complex and demanding as a literary text, however you wish to re-invent the idea of 'truth' and history, a Church that built itself upon member testimonies that precisely affirm the utter truth of the founding event has no option but to fall on its own sword when the founding event is shown to be starkly different from the testimony version.
To the member who said that had the Church been more honest they would have stuck with it: I disagree. Had the Church been honest about its past, the Mormon "testimony" couldn't possibly exist, at least without substantial revision, and it's unsure whether a body of members with revised testimonies would have had the same level of belief and commitment.
Uchdorf Faith Crisis Material
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Uchdorf Faith Crisis Material
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Re: Uchdorf Faith Crisis Material
Conclusions
Through social media, hundreds of thousands of additional active members will become questioning and secular members.
The long-term effects of these transitions will be substantial.
Our challenge is less about how well we answer tough questions and more about how we treat questioning, progressive, and secular Mormons.
https://unpackingambiguitycom.files.wor ... ith_r5.pdf
The lack of self awareness of the actual problem (the lack of honesty and transparency by the Church) within these reports and conclusions is staggering. In summary, they conclude it's all the members fault for searching the internet. It's worth noting that the Church uses the term "uncorrelated material" as code for truthful facts found out from a source other than the Church.
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“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Re: Uchdorf Faith Crisis Material
As mentioned in the linked Faith Crisis material http://www.whymormonsquestion.org/wp-co ... 2012-1.pdf
With additional references https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_ ... ith_R5.pdf
With additional references https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_ ... ith_R5.pdf
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