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U.S. Travel Reopening

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Hello Fellow Travelers!

Here's the beginning of the process that some of us have waited for. Previously, all travelers re-entering the U.S. from foreign countries were required to have a current Covid test whether or not they were already vaccinated and that included U.S. citizens returning to the U.S. Keeping an eye out for updates. How many of you here would like to see domestic travel vaccine mandates that require anyone traveling (public transportation including air travel) to be vaccinated? Pros and cons as you see them?
The United States has a reopening date. Here's what travelers need to know.

(CNN) — The United States' new international travel policies are just weeks away from going into effect.
November 8 will be the official start of a wide reopening of the United States to fully vaccinated foreign travelers arriving by air and land, the White House announced Friday.

While some details still have to be worked out, the firm date comes as a relief to many would-be travelers who have been in limbo since plans were announced on September 20 to implement a new international air travel system in "early November."
This week, similar plans were announced to open US borders with Canada and Mexico to vaccinated visitors for tourism and other nonessential travel. The November 8 date applies to both land and air travel.

Here's everything we know so far about what the new policies will mean for travelers:

Who can travel?

The policies allow fully vaccinated foreign nationals to enter the United States, replacing a patchwork of bans and restrictions that have been in place since the start of the pandemic.

That means foreign nationals arriving from countries that have been subject to bans -- China, Iran, Europe's Schengen area, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, Brazil, South Africa and India -- will soon be allowed under the policy that applies to all international travelers.

The vaccination requirement goes into effect November 8.

Which vaccines are accepted?

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has already alerted airlines that all FDA approved and authorized vaccines, as well as vaccines that have an Emergency Use Listing (EUL) from the WHO will be accepted for entry into the United States.
That means the AstraZeneca vaccine, in use in places including Canada and Europe, will be accepted. The Sputnik V vaccine developed in Russia has not been approved by WHO or FDA.

While the CDC has not commented yet on vaccines for travel across land borders, a White House official told CNN it expects the same vaccines will be accepted.

People are considered "fully vaccinated" by the CDC two weeks after their second dose in a two-dose series, or two weeks after a single-dose vaccine.

What about unvaccinated Americans?

Unvaccinated Americans can still enter the United States but will face more stringent testing requirements for air travel.

They will be "subject to stricter testing requirements," including a test within one day of their flight's departure for the United States and an additional test when they return, Jeff Zients, the White House Covid-19 response coordinator, said when he announced the new international air travel rules on September 20.

The announcement about Mexico and Canada land borders on October 12 did not specifically address unvaccinated Americans, but the vaccination requirement is directed at "inbound foreign national travelers."

What about unvaccinated children?


While little has been said in the announcements of the new international travel system about children, the Department of Homeland Security told CNN that the vaccination requirement will not apply to children who are not eligible.

Jen Psaki, White House press secretary, indicated on September 20 that the more stringent air travel rules outlined for unvaccinated Americans "at this point, would obviously apply to children as well."

It's unclear whether entry requirements will be the same for foreign national and American children. CNN has requested clarification on travel requirements for children.

What about mixed-dose vaccinations?

The CDC is working through the question of mixed-dose vaccinations, according to senior administration officials. The CDC will offer guidance "in the coming weeks" related to the vaccination status of individuals who received doses of two different vaccines, one official said on October 12.

Is testing required?


Fully vaccinated air travelers are still required to test negative for Covid-19 within three days of their flight's departure for the United States, in line with the current testing rule.

As mentioned above, unvaccinated American citizens will be required to take a Covid-19 test within one of day of their departing flight and again after arrival.

There is no testing requirement at land borders.

What kind of documentation is required?

Details about what will be acceptable proof of vaccination are forthcoming, a White House official said Friday.

At land borders, vaccinated individuals crossing for nonessential reasons should "be prepared to attest to vaccination status and to present proof of vaccination to a CBP (Customs and Border Protection) officer upon request," the official said.

Another senior administration official said Tuesday that agencies are working closely with the CDC on both land and air requirements and should have a decision in "coming days as to what the proper documentation looks like."

Airlines already have systems in place to collect the testing information required of air travelers because all air travelers entering the US are already required to present a negative test result.

The White House official said that more operational details related to international travel will come "well in advance of November 8 to enable preparation for a smooth transition to the new system."

Who can no longer get into the United States?

The new international travel system largely bar unvaccinated foreign nationals from entering the US.

Unvaccinated travelers coming from countries not affected by travel bans who currently are allowed to fly into the US (from Mexico and Canada, for example) will no longer be allowed entry as of November 8.

A White House official told CNN further guidance on "very limited exceptions" to the requirements will be provided in advance of the international travel policy's start.

At land borders, the vaccination requirement going into effect on November 8 applies to nonessential travel such as tourism and visits with friends and family.

Individuals traveling for essential reasons, including truck drivers and students, will still be allowed across borders until early January, whether they're vaccinated or not.

In early January, a vaccination requirement will go into effect for all foreign nationals crossing the borders by land or ferry.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:50 pm
How many of you here would like to see domestic travel vaccine mandates that require anyone traveling (public transportation including air travel) to be vaccinated? Pros and cons as you see them?
I don't see any cons. Everyone should get vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to do it. If people are forced to take care of themselves and the people around them so they can travel, I say, Great! Whatever it takes.

Looking forward to the borders opening up again. We have relatives who've been unable to visit us for quite a long time now.
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Going to restate the OP question and try to answer it myself to examine my own thinking.
How many of you here would like to see domestic travel vaccine mandates that require anyone traveling (public transportation including air travel) to be vaccinated? Pros and cons as you see them?
If you had asked me this question as much as 6 months ago, I would have been in favor of vaccine mandates across the board for all forms of public transportation. I don't put much stock in Covid tests for travel to begin with so I won't address that here since they don't apply to me in any meaningful way.

Currently, the number of new Covid cases is dropping in the U.S. overall. Some states (I believe there are 4-5) are still dealing with high numbers but it seems to me with the employer and Federal vaccine mandates, the number of vaccinations is now off setting the occurrence of new Covid cases basically nationwide. So. We are achieving something akin to herd immunity.

I also think the increase in vaccinations is going to thwart new variants but I don't have a crystal ball.

All that said, I wouldn't put vaccine restrictions on all public transportation. I can't imagine what that would look like in NYC re: daily commuters. :shock:

I postponed two trips last year for this year. One domestic, one overseas. Then postponed them again for April-ish thinking that we'd be more there regarding herd immunity and barring the advent of some big bad demonic new variant, I think we're there or more there right now.

All things considered, my current status: I've been very patient about waiting until I thought the dust had settled. At this point I don't care if I have to get a booster every 6 months for the rest of my life. I'm OUT of here in April-ish, possibly May. :mrgreen:
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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:07 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:50 pm
How many of you here would like to see domestic travel vaccine mandates that require anyone traveling (public transportation including air travel) to be vaccinated? Pros and cons as you see them?
I don't see any cons. Everyone should get vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to do it. If people are forced to take care of themselves and the people around them so they can travel, I say, Great! Whatever it takes.

Looking forward to the borders opening up again. We have relatives who've been unable to visit us for quite a long time now.
What it looks like is that the unvaccinated can still travel but with a bit of inconvenience. All I know is that if I'm still standing in spring, I'm out of this state and out of the U.S. for the trips I've postponed.

IIANM, the UK's current travel policies regarding incoming travelers from the U.S. was that we had to show proof of vaccination. I'm not sure what became of the Covid test and quarantine restriction, but I know they lifted all of that for vaccinated persons.

The Delta variant really threw things off for me. But now the increase in vaccinations and decrease in new cases looks like it's tipping the scales toward herd immunity...or something close to herd immunity.

Planning to get the booster next week and if I have to do that every 6 months, that's fine by me.
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