DCP: A General Authority Complained of “Piss-Stinking” Foyers in Russia

[MG 2.0]

Our God is a God of miracles.
The miracle is not doing miracles.
Otherwise, everyone else would feel bad.

The math checks out.

Problem with line two. You’re forcing yourself on God.

Regards,
MG

[Dr Moore]

Our God is a God of miracles.
The miracle is not doing miracles.
Otherwise, everyone else would feel bad.

The math checks out.

Problem with line two. You’re forcing yourself on God.

Regards,
MG

This comment is as absurd as it is condescending. Typical MG. Back to ignoring all of your time wasting comments again.

Also, back to the OP.

[MG 2.0]

Problem with line two. You’re forcing yourself on God.

Regards,
MG

This comment is as absurd as it is condescending. Typical MG. Back to ignoring all of your time wasting comments again.

Also, back to the opening post.

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I wanna be like you
I wanna walk like you, talk like you, too
You'll see it's true someone like me
Can learn to be someone like you

Now don't try to kid me, mancub
I'll make a deal with you
What I desire is man's red fire
To make my dream come true
Now, give me the secret, mancub
Come on, clue me what to do
Give me the power of man's red flower
So I can be like you

Oh, oobee doo
I wanna be like you
I wanna walk like you, talk like you, too
You'll see it's true someone like me
Can learn to be someone like you

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Talk about condescending. I’m not you and you’re not me. You seem to have a problem with free ideas and expression. I very rarely agree with you, yet I don’t call “all of your comments ‘time wasting’”.

Or have I? Don’t think so.

Holier than thou are we? Sheesh. Oh yes, you have ‘Dr.’ in front of your name. Grandiose and inflated feelings of superiority and knowledge towering above the unwashed masses.

Isn’t it wonderful?

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

MG: > gOd DoEsN’t mIcRoMaNaGe PeOpLe

Mormon Church: > The General Handbook: Serving in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an on-line book of instructions and policies for leaders and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

MG: > gOd DoEsN’t HeAl AmPuTeEs BeCaUsE fAiTh

Mormon Church: Priesthood blessings are given by the authority of the priesthood for healing.

MG: > wElL aT lEaSt He DoEsN’t MicrOmaNaGe tHaT

Mormon Church: You must perform priesthood blessings in this exact sequence using this exact language.

-_-

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

One of the Mopologists’ main goals has always been to try and convince the rank-and-file that the Brethren are no different from them. Except for the Ivy League PhDs, of course. But apart from that? No difference at all.

There is an LDS aristocracy to be sure. I have run into those ambitious LDS people who go to the fancy, Ivy League business schools, get the jobs starting at a quarter million bucks, and set off to become a stake president within ten years. These are the people angling for the BRC (big red chair). The ones I met in Philadelphia were with a couple of exceptions dreadfully snobby and arrogant people whom I really did not like at all.

[Moksha]

The miracle is not doing miracles.

Problem with line two. You’re forcing yourself on God.

Regards,
MG

Good point. Claiming no miracles to be miraculous is silly. Let's be happy with the rational world and give God a break.

[MG 2.0]

Problem with line two. You’re forcing yourself on God.

Regards,
MG

Good point. Claiming no miracles to be miraculous is silly. Let's be happy with the rational world and give God a break.

I didn’t take that absolutist position in my comment.

There are those that would have God perform miracles at every turn. I don’t expect that. Thus, the forcing of one’s self on God and making demands on Him.

And of course, if those demands aren’t met, sh** happens, right?

We see that expressed here in one way or another quite frequently.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

Good point. Claiming no miracles to be miraculous is silly. Let's be happy with the rational world and give God a break.

I didn’t take that absolutist position in my comment.

There are those that would have God perform miracles at every turn. I don’t expect that. Thus, the forcing of one’s self on God and making demands on Him.

And of course, if those demands aren’t met, sh** happens, right?

We see that expressed here in one way or another quite frequently.

MG2

How about one miracle, one time, one place, something that happened in the memory of people who are alive today? Just one bona fide, undisputed miracle that can't be explained in any other way. According to scripture, God used to purchase faith with miracles all the time. Doing so apparently didn't rob those people of their free will. Where is our walking on water, raising the dead, parting the sea, making asses give speeches, virgins giving birth, stopping the sun, or designing vessels that are tight like unto dishes? We've got living prophets who could supposedly do one or two of these things once in a while. But we have nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I'm not second guessing God. I'm taking cues from the behavior he's established and put down in his holy books. He may say don't expect miracles, but then he raises expectations by making the devil enter some pigs. We have the restoration of all things. Why not bring back some undisputed miracles?

It's almost like God is an absentee father. Or that he's trying to make us believe he doesn't really exist in the way you say he does.

One lady turned into salt is all I'm asking.
.

[Gabriel]

You see: if there was a caste system, this fellow never would have been subjected to this kind of suffering.

If this poor GA confined his Russian visits to piss-stinking foyers then it's his own fault. He should have taken his cue from the prophet and learned how to "mix business with pleasure".

Even before he was a GA when he was just a lowly General President of the Sunday School, Russell M. Nelson often seemed to find time during the course of church business to visit national parks and wildlife preserves, or museums and historic sites, or go skiing and water skiing, or enjoy a night at the opera, or a concert.

Except for the round-trip ticket, none of this need have been on the church dime. The church lacks for no wealthy members to pay court to these esteemed brethren to show them around for a good time.

Our poor GA in Russia should have been told that men are that they might have joy, and to seek first the kingdom of God and all these "things" shall be added unto him.

The prophet with eternal companion #2 at the ancient Nephite ruins of Machu Picchu

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[MG 2.0]

I didn’t take that absolutist position in my comment.

There are those that would have God perform miracles at every turn. I don’t expect that. Thus, the forcing of one’s self on God and making demands on Him.

And of course, if those demands aren’t met, sh** happens, right?

We see that expressed here in one way or another quite frequently.

MG2

How about one miracle, some time, some place, something that happened in the memory of people who are alive today. Just one bona fide, undisputed miracle that can't be explained in any other way. According to scripture, God used to purchase faith with miracles all the time. Doing so apparently didn't rob those people of their free will. Where is our walking on water, raising the dead, parting the sea, making asses give speeches, virgins giving birth, stopping the sun, or designing vessels that are tight like unto dishes? We've got living prophets who could supposedly do one or two of these things once in a while. But we have nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I'm not second guessing God. I'm taking cues from the behavior he's established and put down in his holy books. He may say don't expect miracles, but then he raises expectations by making the devil enter some pigs. We have the restoration of all things. Why not bring back some undisputed miracles?

It's almost like God is an absentee father. Or that he's trying to make us believe he doesn't really exist in the way you say he does.

One lady turned into salt is all I'm asking.
.

Hi Morley,
You ask some hard questions. I’m going on the assumption that God exists and that Jesus is the Christ. This being my starting point I look for answers that still allow for God. And by inference, Jesus the Savior. On that basis here’s what I would say. First, we don’t live in ancient times and in the world Jesus inhabited. If the Bible is to believed, he performed miracles that exceeded the understanding and expectations of those in his world and time. Walking on water, raising the dead, etc. And yet, as you alluded to, people rose up in rebellion and killed him. They had their agency. One could say that one of the reasons they did kill the Christ was because he performed miracles and ultimately proclaimed his Sonship to God.

My first question to you is for what purpose would you want to see President Nelson walk on water? Or Elder Uchtdorf raise the dead on national television? What would be the result of seeing Elder Eyring part the waters of Utah Lake two Saturdays from now? I, like you, think that it would be really cool to see modern day works of God comparable to those we read about in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. They WOULD be faith promoting and instantly go viral through social and corporate media. No doubt.

My second question to you is can you foresee what the results would be if the miracles of the Bible were performed today by the Brethren in SL?

May we assume that God’s ways are not our ways and that He knows the end from the beginning? That He understands what is necessary in one world/time or another in order for His work to move forward? As it was, things didn’t go so well in the meridian of time for the early Christians. As it is now, do you think things would go any better for believers today if miracles were widespread and publicly made available, say on the first Tuesday of every month at your local WalMart?

Is there a need to build ships tight like unto a dish today under the direction of God? With modern science and technology do we need to have God step in an perform the miracle of a heart transplant, or keep a diabetic alive, etc.? If an amputee were healed once, where would it end? And with prosthetics does it really matter? Were there more miracles in the Old World than the Modern World due to differing conditions?

The miracles you’ve touched on were all performed in an ancient world. Does that matter at all? Did God give them something that is not readily made apparent or given to us because we already have much? How does communication between people and peoples factor in?

I believe miracles do occur in our day. But they’re of a different sort than those storied in the ancient world scriptural accounts. And as Jesus said in his day, “Go and tell no man.” Think about the ramifications of then vs. now in regards to a recipient or observer of a miracle making that known.

Many things to consider.

I’m willing to let God be the arbitrator of dealing out miracles in a fashion that meets the needs of particular people(s) in particular times and places. I’m not going to be the judge and then let that determine whether or not I believe in Him.

Your mileage may vary.

Regards,
MG