Sticks and Stones

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What is it about this word that has so much power that any white man who dares to repeat it even if quoting someone else risks losing his job and any property he might own? Does this word really cause African Americans that much distress that they can't bear to heart it repeated even when for the purposes of a trial the attorneys are quoting an African American man saying the forbidden word?

As one repentant African American civil rights activist admitted, the racism of Jim Crow is long gone. But many African Americans can't allow it to remain in the past because this same racism is a source of such marvelous political power that they will never give it up willingly. What better way to keep evidence from a jury than for Jussie Smollett, proven race baiter and race profiteer, to request that his own words not be repeated in court because the forbidden word might offend other African Americans present, a forbidden word that he probably still uses when it suits his purposes.
Former “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett asked Special Prosecutor Dan Webb to stop reading the N-word out loud during the court hearing as the attorney read Smollett’s own messages aloud as evidence.

The exchange took place during the sixth day of the controversial trial involving Smollett. He is facing six counts regarding allegations he staged a hate crime against himself in 2019 and claimed he was the victim of a racist and homophobic incident.

“Some of the messages included the use of the N-word, prompting Smollett to interrupt the prosecutor to ask him to spell or abbreviate the word so as not to offend ‘every African American in this room,.'” Tyler McCarthy reported for Fox News.

The messages were originally written by Smollett.

Webb then invited Smollett to read his own messages before the court, but said he would not comply with Smollett’s request. Smollett reportedly complied with the offer.

As The Daily Wire reported Monday, Fox News national reporter Matt Finn, who has been covering the trial since its beginning last week, offered several updates via Twitter after Smollett took the stand.

“Jussie Smollett just said under oath ‘there was no hoax,’” Finn tweeted, adding, “Smollett says he was driving, smoking a blunt and texting with a woman about MSNBC appearance – day of January 27th – when the Osundairo brothers were in his car. Brothers say that’s when hoax was being planned.”

Smollett also testified that it had become a running joke on the set of “Empire” that the Osundairo brothers were actually his security team. He claimed that he did not want the studio to provide security because he preferred to drive around in his own car and “smoke my blunt” during lunch breaks. The defense went on to argue that the Osundairo brothers were attempting to “scare” Smollett into officially hiring the brothers to provide security.

According to Smollett’s testimony, he was training with Bola Osundairo primarily because “Empire” creator Lee Daniels had told him that he was fat and because he wanted to lose weight for a music video. He also claimed that he and Bola had a more personal relationship, saying that the first night they met they had done weed and cocaine together and gone to a private room in a bathhouse.

Osundairo said last week, under oath, that he had never had a sexual relationship with Smollett. He also told the court that Smollett had orchestrated the entire attack, saying that Smollett had told them what to say and where they should be, even taking them out to show them the location and the camera he hoped would capture the attack, using the code word “training” to describe what appeared to be a dry run.

Chicago Police detectives said that Smollett appeared to be frustrated when he learned that the camera had been pointed in the wrong direction to pick up the attack, and initially refused to turn over his phone to law enforcement.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:45 pm
What is it about this word that has so much power that any white man who dares to repeat it even if quoting someone else risks losing his job and any property he might own? Does this word really cause African Americans that much distress that they can't bear to heart it repeated even when for the purposes of a trial the attorneys are quoting an African American man saying the forbidden word?

As one repentant African American civil rights activist admitted, the racism of Jim Crow is long gone. But many African Americans can't allow it to remain in the past because this same racism is a source of such marvelous political power that they will never give it up willingly. What better way to keep evidence from a jury than for Jussie Smollett, proven race baiter and race profiteer, to request that his own words not be repeated in court because the forbidden word might offend other African Americans present, a forbidden word that he probably still uses when it suits his purposes.
Former “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett asked Special Prosecutor Dan Webb to stop reading the N-word out loud during the court hearing as the attorney read Smollett’s own messages aloud as evidence.

The exchange took place during the sixth day of the controversial trial involving Smollett. He is facing six counts regarding allegations he staged a hate crime against himself in 2019 and claimed he was the victim of a racist and homophobic incident.

“Some of the messages included the use of the N-word, prompting Smollett to interrupt the prosecutor to ask him to spell or abbreviate the word so as not to offend ‘every African American in this room,.'” Tyler McCarthy reported for Fox News.

The messages were originally written by Smollett.

Webb then invited Smollett to read his own messages before the court, but said he would not comply with Smollett’s request. Smollett reportedly complied with the offer.

As The Daily Wire reported Monday, Fox News national reporter Matt Finn, who has been covering the trial since its beginning last week, offered several updates via Twitter after Smollett took the stand.

“Jussie Smollett just said under oath ‘there was no hoax,’” Finn tweeted, adding, “Smollett says he was driving, smoking a blunt and texting with a woman about MSNBC appearance – day of January 27th – when the Osundairo brothers were in his car. Brothers say that’s when hoax was being planned.”

Smollett also testified that it had become a running joke on the set of “Empire” that the Osundairo brothers were actually his security team. He claimed that he did not want the studio to provide security because he preferred to drive around in his own car and “smoke my blunt” during lunch breaks. The defense went on to argue that the Osundairo brothers were attempting to “scare” Smollett into officially hiring the brothers to provide security.

According to Smollett’s testimony, he was training with Bola Osundairo primarily because “Empire” creator Lee Daniels had told him that he was fat and because he wanted to lose weight for a music video. He also claimed that he and Bola had a more personal relationship, saying that the first night they met they had done weed and cocaine together and gone to a private room in a bathhouse.

Osundairo said last week, under oath, that he had never had a sexual relationship with Smollett. He also told the court that Smollett had orchestrated the entire attack, saying that Smollett had told them what to say and where they should be, even taking them out to show them the location and the camera he hoped would capture the attack, using the code word “training” to describe what appeared to be a dry run.

Chicago Police detectives said that Smollett appeared to be frustrated when he learned that the camera had been pointed in the wrong direction to pick up the attack, and initially refused to turn over his phone to law enforcement.
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How do you feel about blasphemy?
You mean the kind of blasphemy people spew on this board that Latter Day Saints view as sacred?
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ajax18 wrote:
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How do you feel about blasphemy?
You mean the kind of blasphemy people spew on this board that Latter Day Saints view as sacred?
Yeah, how do you feel about it?

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Yeah, how do you feel about it?

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Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

It's my responsibility to not allow words to bother me. Just because it hurts my feelings doesn't mean I have the right to penalize anyone who vocalizes the forbidden word, or even forbid them from saying it.

But that's not the point. Why was Jussie Smollett so intent on forbidding the attorney from vocalizing the forbidden word? And more importantly why was his request taken seriously? Is he really that scared of the forbidden word? Does it really hurt him that much? Or is it just a political cudgel that he has discovered and uses to his advantage depending on the situation?
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:54 pm
Yeah, how do you feel about it?

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Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me.

It's my responsibility to not allow words to bother me. Just because it hurts my feelings doesn't mean I have the right to penalize anyone who vocalizes the forbidden word, or even forbid them from saying it.

But that's not the point. Why was Jussie Smollett so intent on forbidding the attorney from vocalizing the forbidden word? And more importantly why was his request taken seriously? Is he really that scared of the forbidden word? Does it really hurt him that much? Or is it just a political cudgel that he has discovered and uses to his advantage depending on the situation?
That’s five questions. Which one do you actually want to discuss?

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That’s five questions. Which one do you actually want to discuss?

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Maybe just give me your take on the original story. And perhaps if you as someone who engages in military level swearing, name calling, and flat out cussing people out, have any concerns with holding a particular word in such high regard that nobody can use it even if only for the purpose of knowing what word we're talking about.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:33 pm
Maybe just give me your take on the original story. And perhaps if you as someone who engages in military level swearing, name calling, and flat out cussing people out, have any concerns with holding a particular word in such high regard that nobody can use it even if only for the purpose of knowing what word we're talking about.
In a court setting, do you feel that there aren't any words that can be deemed inappropriate to be repeated extensively when there are alternative ways that are generally less offensive?
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:33 pm
That’s five questions. Which one do you actually want to discuss?

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Maybe just give me your take on the original story.
“The Jussie Smollett case was well discussed on this forum when it happened.” I’ll just refer you back to the original thread.

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In a court setting, do you feel that there aren't any words that can be deemed inappropriate to be repeated extensively when there are alternative ways that are generally less offensive?
I think substituting words would detract from the juries view of what was actually said. It was just a case of Jussie Smollett playing the race card again.
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