DCP claims Early Modern English in the Book of Mormon is a humorous prank from God

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DCP claims Early Modern English in the Book of Mormon is a humorous prank from God

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Here are a couple of other cases, though, where I think that an impish divine sense of humor may actually play a role. Both are instances where, if my hypotheses are on target, the prank was set in place long before it was noticed:

1) The appearance of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple: “Elijah did come at Passover time — as pious Jews had long hoped he would — although he did not avail himself of the hospitably opened door of a faithful Jewish family but came to the House of the Lord in Kirtland.” See Stephen D. Ricks, “The Appearance of Elijah and Moses in the Kirtland Temple and the Jewish Passover,” BYU Studies 23/4 (1983): 483-486. Neither the early Latter-day Saints nor anybody else noticed for several decades. When they do notice, though, it becomes one of those things about Joseph Smith that are rather difficult to explain.

2) The appearance of Early Modern English (Early Modern English) in the original English dictation of the Book of Mormon. Once again, though, neither the early Latter-day Saints nor anybody else noticed for several decades. And, also once again, it becomes difficult to explain away. It’s very strange for believers, but, for those who seek a naturalistic explanation for the appearance of the Book of Mormon in the late 1820s, it’s virtually impossible.

We’ve seen DCP argue for the hidden God, for the callous God, and now for the trickster God.

Why should we follow the God who decided to put Early Modern English into the Book of Mormon as some sort of weird joke? When people’s eternal salvation and families are at stake?
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"The Late War", published in 1816, and its uncanny similarities to the language of the Book of Mormon went unnoticed for many decades. It, too, is difficult to explain away. (Ho ho.)

Adam Clarke's biblical commentary and restatement, copied by Joseph Smith almost verbatim for his own "translation" of the Bible, also went unnoticed for decades. (Hee hee.)
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1) The appearance of Elijah in the Kirtland Temple: “Elijah did come at Passover time — as pious Jews had long hoped he would — although he did not avail himself of the hospitably opened door of a faithful Jewish family but came to the House of the Lord in Kirtland.” See Stephen D. Ricks, “The Appearance of Elijah and Moses in the Kirtland Temple and the Jewish Passover,” BYU Studies 23/4 (1983): 483-486. Neither the early Latter-day Saints nor anybody else noticed for several decades. When they do notice, though, it becomes one of those things about Joseph Smith that are rather difficult to explain.
I don't understand why the above is humorous. Nor why it is difficult to explain. I do see a whiff of anti-semitism though.
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Does God have a sense of humor? Is that explicitly declared within the theology?
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2) The appearance of Early Modern English (Early Modern English) in the original English dictation of the Book of Mormon. Once again, though, neither the early Latter-day Saints nor anybody else noticed for several decades. And, also once again, it becomes difficult to explain away. It’s very strange for believers, but, for those who seek a naturalistic explanation for the appearance of the Book of Mormon in the late 1820s, it’s virtually impossible.
Is it difficult to explain? For certain sections that reference Isaiah I think we've nailed down the actual source...
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Dr Moore wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:01 am
Does God have a sense of humor? Is that explicitly declared within the theology?
It’s a bit like Star Trek. There’s an encyclopedia of loose non-binding cannon for the writers to reference, but it can always be violated when the plot demands it.
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When Daniel was a lad growing up in the church he, like everyone else, believed that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by reading a strange language on ancient gold plates using strange spectacles which magically enabled him to translate the narrative and dictate it to a scribe who was sat on the other side of a dividing curtain. At that time the younger Daniel, like other believers, knew all that to be true.

Now, Daniel believes that a group of dead English-speaking people translated the gold plates (Even though at that point God could simply hand them an English version) and then that version which was now in their own era language was projected one word at a time onto a treasure seeking rock for Joseph to just read out loud so someone could write it down. Because Skousen has found evidence of King James era style language within the text and has concluded that this is the only explanation for it. For supposedly intelligent people they really are blinkered. Or it's a good way of syphoning off donors money. A bit like film making where they never have to account for where all that money went.
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It would have been too easy if God named Laman and Lemuel Zuck and Elon.

It would have been too easy if God put the accurate age of the universe and Earth in the book of Moses.

Early Modern English and chiasmus are the perfect amount of evidence. Just enough to only convince those who were already believers.
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BYU doesn't seem to be up to date in publishing work on the Critical Text of the Book of Mormon Project.
Volume V: A Complete Electronic Collation of the Book of Mormon
This forthcoming volume is not yet complete.

Projected for 2019
A digital collation of the work of the critical text project
https://criticaltext.byustudies.byu.edu ... -project-0

Skousen has spent his last 30 years on this topic. And in that 30 years has convinced...well...who? And convinced them of what?
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Elijah came because of the prophecy of Malachi 4:5-6. The timing was Passover because that was the most symbolically fitting time for him to come. As our friend Don Bradley showed in his book, Joseph Smith was keenly aware of the Jewish holy days and incorporated them into the Book of Mormon. So, there really is no “humor” involved in that timing. Joseph Smith absolutely knew exactly what he was doing. After all, the prophecies of Malachi were, so Smith claimed, important to him from the earliest angelophanies he experienced.
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