Jack Welch|Dan Peterson - Two Cumorah Fraudsters

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Jack Welch|Dan Peterson - Two Cumorah Fraudsters

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Jack Welch|Dan Peterson - Two Cumorah Fraudsters

It's already been established they resold old RLDS books with expired copyrights.
They're also Two Cumorah Fraudsters - which originated with the RLDS Church - void of any modern-day revelation.
And this was before 1917 when L.E. Hills created his Mesoamerica maps and books.


The Year 1901

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Two Cumorahs

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And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven with a Trombone for F.A.R.M.S., Book of Mormon Central, FAIR, ScripturePlus

And this is how it sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeezCdF4mk

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Re: Jack Welch|Dan Peterson - Two Cumorah Fraudsters

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This is the Church building where the 1901 Two Cumorahs debate occurred, in its basement.

The building no longer stands. See the link below mentioning H.A. Stebbins.

Stay tuned, because you'll soon learn F.A.R.M.S. copied his arguments for Two Cumorahs.

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https://iagenweb.org/decatur/ChurchDocs ... hrist.html
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Smith stated that Cumorah means “Arise, O Light.” He explained the Hebrew verb qūm, “arise/rise (up),” along with the Hebrew noun ʾôr, or the feminine form ʾôrah, meaning “light, flame, fire,” together yield the meaning, “rise up, (O) light.”

What’s obvious to Mormon scholars, and that you’re missing completely, is that the word Cumorah is synonymous with ‘repository’, or ‘place where light and knowledge can rise again’. In other words, Mormon designated the places where he stored knowledge as a Repository Hill, or Hill Cumorah. There were many repository hills, not just one, where records of the ancients were buried so that some day light and knowledge would rise up again - cumorah hills.

Make peace with your brothers in Christ. Love them, lift them up, and speak no more evils of the body of Christ. Amen.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:28 pm
Smith stated that Cumorah means “Arise, O Light.” He explained the Hebrew verb qūm, “arise/rise (up),” along with the Hebrew noun ʾôr, or the feminine form ʾôrah, meaning “light, flame, fire,” together yield the meaning, “rise up, (O) light.”

What’s obvious to Mormon scholars, and that you’re missing completely, is that the word Cumorah is synonymous with ‘repository’, or ‘place where light and knowledge can rise again’. In other words, Mormon designated the places where he stored knowledge as a Repository Hill, or Hill Cumorah. There were many repository hills, not just one, where records of the ancients were buried so that some day light and knowledge would rise up again - cumorah hills.

Make peace with your brothers in Christ. Love them, lift them up, and speak no more evils of the body of Christ. Amen.

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While the name Cumorah in the Book of Mormon at times also applied to the territory and land around the Hill Cumorah (Mormon 6:2–6), the name Cumorah itself may be referring more to the record buried there than to any geographic feature of the hill. Instructive in this regard is the story in Judges 15:9–17. This incident involves a geographic location that the King James translation renders as “Lehi” in verse 9. However, as verses 16 and 17 make clear, the location received its name after the battle in which Samson “slew a thousand men” “with the jawbone [lehi], of an ass” from the Hebrew lәḥî-hămôr, לְחִֽי־חֲמֹ֖ור). Additionally, no doubt the Mount of Transfiguration in the New Testament was called by that name only after the transfiguration took place. Is it then not possible that Cumorah received its name proleptically in anticipation of the fulfillment of prophetic foresight (as quoted above from Mormon 8:14–16) of what would take place there? Leaving aside the implications of the two-Cumorah theory, the territory and land in upstate New York surrounding that hill certainly qualify as the geographic territory where the Light of the Lord would arise and shine forth in the Restoration. What more meaningful and significant name for that hill or area could there be than “Rise up, O Light of the Lord.”
https://journal.interpreterfoundation.o ... r-cumorah/
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:28 pm
Smith stated that Cumorah means “Arise, O Light.” He explained the Hebrew verb qūm, “arise/rise (up),” along with the Hebrew noun ʾôr, or the feminine form ʾôrah, meaning “light, flame, fire,” together yield the meaning, “rise up, (O) light.”

What’s obvious to Mormon scholars, and that you’re missing completely, is that the word Cumorah is synonymous with ‘repository’, or ‘place where light and knowledge can rise again’. In other words, Mormon designated the places where he stored knowledge as a Repository Hill, or Hill Cumorah. There were many repository hills, not just one, where records of the ancients were buried so that some day light and knowledge would rise up again - cumorah hills.

Make peace with your brothers in Christ. Love them, lift them up, and speak no more evils of the body of Christ. Amen.

- Doc
Is this why the Hill Cumorah Pageant was ended? the NY location just wasn't unique enough?
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:11 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:28 pm
Smith stated that Cumorah means “Arise, O Light.” He explained the Hebrew verb qūm, “arise/rise (up),” along with the Hebrew noun ʾôr, or the feminine form ʾôrah, meaning “light, flame, fire,” together yield the meaning, “rise up, (O) light.”

What’s obvious to Mormon scholars, and that you’re missing completely, is that the word Cumorah is synonymous with ‘repository’, or ‘place where light and knowledge can rise again’. In other words, Mormon designated the places where he stored knowledge as a Repository Hill, or Hill Cumorah. There were many repository hills, not just one, where records of the ancients were buried so that some day light and knowledge would rise up again - cumorah hills.

Make peace with your brothers in Christ. Love them, lift them up, and speak no more evils of the body of Christ. Amen.

- Doc
Is this why the Hill Cumorah Pageant was ended? the NY location just wasn't unique enough?
Seems it was a cost cutting exercise.
The Church is now at a time in its history when the majority of its members will never see the Hill Cumorah or visit the Sacred Grove. “The fame of these places will endure and grow, but relatively few will ever be there,” he said.

The First Presidency determined that in an increasingly worldwide Church, they could not justify the cost of current and future maintenance, security and safety upgrades running into several millions of dollars when only a relative handful of members and visitors would benefit from the experience.
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/7/9/ ... ant-ended/
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Marcus wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:11 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:28 pm
Smith stated that Cumorah means “Arise, O Light.” He explained the Hebrew verb qūm, “arise/rise (up),” along with the Hebrew noun ʾôr, or the feminine form ʾôrah, meaning “light, flame, fire,” together yield the meaning, “rise up, (O) light.”

What’s obvious to Mormon scholars, and that you’re missing completely, is that the word Cumorah is synonymous with ‘repository’, or ‘place where light and knowledge can rise again’. In other words, Mormon designated the places where he stored knowledge as a Repository Hill, or Hill Cumorah. There were many repository hills, not just one, where records of the ancients were buried so that some day light and knowledge would rise up again - cumorah hills.

Make peace with your brothers in Christ. Love them, lift them up, and speak no more evils of the body of Christ. Amen.

- Doc
Is this why the Hill Cumorah Pageant was ended? the NY location just wasn't unique enough?
I’m not sure, but I thought I did a nifty job of an apologetic!

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:43 pm
Marcus wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:11 pm

Is this why the Hill Cumorah Pageant was ended? the NY location just wasn't unique enough?
I’m not sure, but I thought I did a nifty job of an apologetic!

- Doc
You need to be writing for Interpreter! :lol:
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drumdude wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:44 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:43 pm


I’m not sure, but I thought I did a nifty job of an apologetic!

- Doc
You need to be writing for Interpreter! :lol:
I’m angling for an internship. I think they need to broaden their apologetic umbrella to include ex-Mormon-soft atheist-simulation theorist-multiversalist-optimistic nihilisticalnisist, lay buddhist, center-leftist voices.

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