Who said this?

[ajax18]

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrDrBs13oA

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I have Xanax on ignore, but I’m just assuming he saw something from one of his brainwashing forums and decided to speak at us instead of dedicating any time to learning anything. So. Here’s a picture or whatever since it doesn’t matter what we post and Xanax will just be hanging bulletin board material as a sort of racist catharsis, anyway:



- Doc

[Gunnar]

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrDrBs13oA

One big problem with that, as has been pointed to you several times already, is that several studies, including this one, have shown that even undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans.

But the context is important here, too. Trump doesn’t include a comparison to the general population’s crime rates, and the numbers Trump cited are arrests, meaning all did not result in convictions. Of those charges over eight years, 238 undocumented immigrants were convicted of homicide, 13,559 for assault, 1,689 for sexual assault and 1,280 for weapons.

And that all, in the end, frames a bigger picture: undocumented immigrants are about half as likely to be incarcerated as native-born Americans and legal immigrants are about 80 percent less likely than native-born Americans, according to Nowrasteh’s research for the Cato Institute.

It would seem, therefore, that if the overriding goal were reducing crime rates in our country, we would do better to deport all native born Americans and replace them all with immigrants!

[ajax18]

One big problem with that, as has been pointed to you several times already, is that several studies, including this one, have shown that even undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans.

Would you say the authoer of the quote in the original post was a racist, perhaps even a white supremacist?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Speaking of saying things, since I still have Xanax on ignore, I’m fairly certain he popped back into his thread to say something damned retarded.

Also, Republicans won’t vote for impeachment because they believe Republicans will murder them:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aTBtU_1610554825

See? I can just post random crap to a thread, too. It’s easy.

- Doc

[Brack]

Most people are not for illegal immigration. People being against construction off the destructive wall is not being for illegal immigration. President Biden is correct to end construction of the stupid wall. Trump was wrong to go around Congress to use their power of the purse to build his wall.

[Gunnar]

One big problem with that, as has been pointed to you several times already, is that several studies, including this one, have shown that even undocumented immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans.

Would you say the authoer[sic] of the quote in the original post was a racist, perhaps even a white supremacist?

He was not without his flaws, and what he did with Monica Lewinski was without doubt deplorable, but judging by what else we know about him, I don't think he was a racist or a white supremacist. He certainly supported the presidency of Barack Obama, and I know of no evidence that he discriminated against anyone else just because of their race or ethnicity. He certainly and rightly approved of deporting immigrants, (especially undocumented ones) who committed crimes in this country, and disapproved of illegal hiring and unfair exploitation of immigrants, whether documented or not. That is obviously unfair to both legal and documented immigrants as well as to native born workers. I don't disapprove, however, of providing legal provisions to hire temporary foreign workers provisionally (at fair wages, of course) to fill labor shortages for which there are too few available or qualified full U.S. citizens to fill, like temporary, seasonal agricultural jobs, for example.

I admit, though, that it is also true that part of what Clinton's said in the quote you cited was politically motivated and designed to appeal to the prejudices of his audience.

[Gunnar]

Most people are not for illegal immigration. People being against construction off the destructive wall is not being for illegal immigration. President Biden is correct to end construction of the stupid wall. Trump was wrong to go around Congress to use their power of the purse to build his wall.

Yeah, that too!

[ajax18]

Most people are not for illegal immigration. People being against construction off the destructive wall is not being for illegal immigration. President Biden is correct to end construction of the stupid wall. Trump was wrong to go around Congress to use their power of the purse to build his wall.

Any republican who would have said what Clinton said would be
censored on social media and possibly fired from their job for it.

So it doesn't matter what was said but rather who said it? By the way, there was nothing racist about what Trump or Clintom said in this quote. It was economic nationalist and America first which still wins free and fair elections. As I remember Clinton won convicingly over Bob Dole.

[Gadianton]

Ajax,

I do not see anything wrong with securing borders and cracking down on illegal immigration. As I would point out to anyone, in a country with social welfare, illegal immigration could be quite a burden. Try immigrating to Canada or Sweden vs. the US; it ain't easy. Obama apparently also understood that he needed to control immigration given the implementation of Obama Care. He sent ICE out on a few raids himself. Logically, it should be the social-welfare crowd who cracks down on immigration, and the free-market, fend-for-yourself crowd who lightens up on it.

But at any rate, context and execution matter a lot. You have to consider, that in a Democracy like ours, getting draconian can backfire. There are many examples of this, but my go-to for illustration is red light cameras in California. After years of heavy-handed enforcement, the whole system imploded and they all got ripped out, from LA to San Diego, at least.

LE on a rampage often backfires if the public perceives the prosecuted as victims. Drug users and pushers haven't benefited much here nor a few other kinds of crimes, but generally, prosecution of victimless crimes is deplored by the average, level-headed American. American's tend to root for the underdog when they can.

So what you, Ajax, and your party has done, is essentially shot itself in the foot with Trump's grandstanding. His rhetoric alone was enough to make illegals out to be the victim and the underdog. My friend's son has an illegal friend, and this friend was harassed a couple of times by my friend's neighbors in the last year -- it's a big military, pro Trump community -- threats about deportation and all kinds of nonsense that never would have happened without your MAGA stupidity.

Blustering about a wall, a symbol to make America the next East Germany, with cheers from white supremacists across the board who are welcomed as a functional part of this great new America, doesn't sit well with normal people. Separating kids from from parents and relishing in it as a strong penalty to serve as a deterrent is a tyrant's fantasy. Sending ICE out in big shows of force to ruin people's lives with dumb f's cheering them, and relishing in the pain of the victims is an atrocity to normal, right-thinking people.

There's a big difference between acknowledging there is a problem and matter-of-factly outlining solutions that unfortunately will put people out, and taking the problem, exaggerating it, and then using it as a banner to unite a bunch of angry people beneath who relish the thought of punishing those who will be put out. Feel free to fight for your right to wage a war against immigrants because it's satisfying, it is more likely to backfire than not. Or maybe you'll just say everybody is too sensitive. Either way, the "optics" are terrible, and are unlikely to work so long as we live in a democracy.