Mass Shooting at Mormon Church In Michigan

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Re: Mass Shooting at Mormon Church In Michigan

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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Oct 01, 2025 11:27 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 01, 2025 11:26 pm
I think I read that Edge has been diagnosed with a traumatic brain injury.
Failure to provide the right care for people comes at an unacceptably high cost.
I couldn't agree more. Many, many years ago, one of my student's group presentations was on the true economic cost of war, arguing that the full cost should be factored in to decision-making. One of their main points of emphasis was that rapidly increasing costs of veteran's post-service (and frequently lifetime needs related to) healthcare were not being fully anticipated and accounted for, and were therefore an externality that was not being adequately factored in and was bring improperly imposed on veterans, their families and their communities.

Failure to account for and accept full responsibility for this externality results in the costs being imposed on innocent victims. It's a straightforward way to describe the public policy issue, but I have to say, this was one of the most sobering and emotional presentations I ever had from my students.
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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Oct 03, 2025 10:16 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Oct 03, 2025 10:10 pm
A significant amount of money has been raised by members of the church and supporters for the family of the alleged shooter, Thomas Jacob Sanford, through online fundraisers orchestrated mainly by church members. These online fundraisers have rapidly raised over $275,000, nearing $300,000, to support the shooter's family, including his wife and children who are considered victims of the tragedy as well.

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Wow!

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It should be made clear that in this instance and in many others the LDS Church joins in with fellow community members of all different stripes to accomplish good works. The church obviously does not stand alone.

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Marcus wrote:
Fri Oct 03, 2025 11:28 pm
Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Oct 01, 2025 11:27 pm


Failure to provide the right care for people comes at an unacceptably high cost.
I couldn't agree more. Many, many years ago, one of my student's group presentations was on the true economic cost of war, arguing that the full cost should be factored in to decision-making. One of their main points of emphasis was that rapidly increasing costs of veteran's post-service (and frequently lifetime needs related to) healthcare were not being fully anticipated and accounted for, and were therefore an externality that was not being adequately factored in and was bring improperly imposed on veterans, their families and their communities.

Failure to account for and accept full responsibility for this externality results in the costs being imposed on innocent victims. It's a straightforward way to describe the public policy issue, but I have to say, this was one of the most sobering and emotional presentations I ever had from my students.
Perhaps the ability to wage war should be returned to Congress since they have to write the check on behalf of taxpayers?

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Christian grace in action:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opini ... r-AA1P48gQ

Love your enemies and those that despitefully use you for their own hateful/deceitful purposes.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:08 pm
Christian grace in action:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opini ... r-AA1P48gQ

Love your enemies and those that despitefully use you for their own hateful/deceitful purposes.
Amen, amen.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:08 pm
Christian grace in action:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opini ... r-AA1P48gQ

Love your enemies and those that despitefully use you for their own hateful/deceitful purposes.

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I was very impressed by this. Good on them.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:53 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:08 pm
Christian grace in action:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opini ... r-AA1P48gQ

Love your enemies and those that despitefully use you for their own hateful/deceitful purposes.

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MG
I was very impressed by this. Good on them.
Res,

I just wanted to say I’m glad to see you back on the forum. You were missed!
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:53 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:08 pm
Christian grace in action:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opini ... r-AA1P48gQ

Love your enemies and those that despitefully use you for their own hateful/deceitful purposes.

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MG
I was very impressed by this. Good on them.
Joining together with their Christian brothers and sisters (and others) is not unknown/unusual for Latter-day Saints. But yes, for a person to spearhead this sort of thing under these circumstances is kind of awesome.

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drumdude wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 11:18 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:53 pm


I was very impressed by this. Good on them.
Res,

I just wanted to say I’m glad to see you back on the forum. You were missed!
Hey, thanks.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Nov 07, 2025 1:08 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:53 pm


I was very impressed by this. Good on them.
Joining together with their Christian brothers and sisters (and others) is not unknown/unusual for Latter-day Saints. But yes, for a person to spearhead this sort of thing under these circumstances is kind of awesome.

Regards,
MG
Joining together under adverse circumstances is a very human thing to do. But to support the family of the person who attacked their congregation is, in my opinion, exceptional.
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