The Nehor wrote:Why would Pre-Adamites have no spirits?
Good question. Ask an apologist. If I understand it correctly, the idea is that if Adam was the first man, his was also the first spirit, so all those who came before Adam weren't men and didn't have spirits.
Good question. Ask an apologist. If I understand it correctly, the idea is that if Adam was the first man, his was also the first spirit, so all those who came before Adam weren't men and didn't have spirits.
Or... maybe they had spirits created by a different God, hence didn't look exactly like the man/God who created Adam. Or, maybe they had spirits but they were not human spirits but a different primate sort of spirit.
;-)
I've never heard a decent way to integrate evolution with the LDS doctrine/beliefs/teachings.
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
Good question. Ask an apologist. If I understand it correctly, the idea is that if Adam was the first man, his was also the first spirit, so all those who came before Adam weren't men and didn't have spirits.
Or... maybe they had spirits created by a different God, hence didn't look exactly like the man/God who created Adam. Or, maybe they had spirits but they were not human spirits but a different primate sort of spirit.
;-)
I've never heard a decent way to integrate evolution with the LDS doctrine/beliefs/teachings.
~dancer~
That goes right along with the idea that angels are a different species.
The Nehor wrote:Why would Pre-Adamites have no spirits?
Good question. Ask an apologist. If I understand it correctly, the idea is that if Adam was the first man, his was also the first spirit, so all those who came before Adam weren't men and didn't have spirits.
I won't bother....since I'm as well-read as many of them and know that this is baseless speculation they threw out and is going to be endlessly repeated. Hooray for the Internet. "Sustaining and Maintaining Stupid Thought for Decades"
Somewhere someone who dreamed of the Information Superhighway is crying right now :)
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I won't bother....since I'm as well-read as many of them and know that this is baseless speculation they threw out and is going to be endlessly repeated. Hooray for the Internet. "Sustaining and Maintaining Stupid Thought for Decades"
Hmmm. Sounds remarkably like when Brigham was speculating about Adam and God. Stupid thoughts weren't invented with the Internet. ;-)
The Nehor wrote:I won't bother....since I'm as well-read as many of them and know that this is baseless speculation they threw out and is going to be endlessly repeated. Hooray for the Internet. "Sustaining and Maintaining Stupid Thought for Decades"
Hmmm. Sounds remarkably like when Brigham was speculating about Adam and God. Stupid thoughts weren't invented with the Internet. ;-)
I personally think Brigham Young knew what he was talking about. However my thoughts are out there and would only add to the morass of speculation so I'll keep my mouth shut.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I personally think Brigham Young knew what he was talking about.
So you agree with him that Adam & God were the same person.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
The Nehor wrote:I personally think Brigham Young knew what he was talking about.
So you agree with him that Adam & God were the same person.
Nope.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
So Brigham Young was wrong and, thus, didn't know what he was talking about.
Which is it?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Dr. Shades wrote:So Brigham Young was wrong and, thus, didn't know what he was talking about.
Which is it?
I think Brigham Young was teaching about celestialized, mortal, and spirit beings (and their relationships) in a paradigm not taught in the Church. There were a few cases where I think his word choice was poor and misleading but I'm working on what he was trying to say. I think I'm getting somewhere, I could be wrong. It's not that important, just a hobby of mine that so far God has let me pursue.
If you want to say I'm insane, feel free. :) I feel like I am sometimes when trying to work this all out.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo