This is a new one to me...

Post by **_TrashcanMan79** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:10 pm

LifeOnaPlate wrote:CK- do you know where in NMKMH she discusses the anti-bank?

According to this, Brodie touches on it on pages 198-202. I don't have the book in front of me to verify this, however.

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:14 pm

TrashcanMan79 wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:CK- do you know where in NMKMH she discusses the anti-bank?

According to this, Brodie touches on it on pages 198-202. I don't have the book in front of me to verify this, however.

tcm- thanks for the link.

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:49 pm

rcrocket wrote:When you hear claims like this, you must ask for the evidence. There is no evidence to support this claim.

Where did the claim originate?

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:01 pm

Scottie wrote:
rcrocket wrote:When you hear claims like this, you must ask for the evidence. There is no evidence to support this claim.

Where did the claim originate?

I'll have to check Brodie's footnotes.

Post by **_cksalmon** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:11 pm

Scottie wrote:
rcrocket wrote:When you hear claims like this, you must ask for the evidence. There is no evidence to support this claim.

Where did the claim originate?

NMKMH, 196-197:

"Lining the shelves of the bank vault, they said, were many boxes marked $1,000. Actually these boxes were filled with 'sand, lead, old iron, stone, and combustibles,' but each had a top layer of bright fifty-cent silver coins. Anyone suspicious of the bank's stability was allowed to lift and count the boxes. 'The effect of those boxes was like magic;' said C. G. Webb. 'They created general confidence in the solidity of the bank and that beautiful paper money went like hot cakes. For about a month it was the best money in the country.'"*

...

* As related in an interview with W. Wyl. See Mormon Portraits, p. 36; also Oliver Olney: Absurdities of Mormonism Portrayed, P. 4, and the letter of Cyrus Smalling in E. G. Lee: The Mormons, or Knavery Exposed, p. 14.

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:14 pm

Them's some credible sources.

Post by **_Who Knows** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:20 pm

In RSR, Bushman had a section on the kirtland bank, but didn't even bring this up. It was all a scam regardless of whether this little story actually happened.

Post by **_Coach T** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:22 pm

I'll listen to just about any criticism of the church and Joseph, but your sources are, at best, dubious and outright slander at worst. Come up with some other source of material to justify your hatred of the church. These sources have been around for years. This is not some groundbreaking new thing here.

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:31 pm

Coach T wrote:I'll listen to just about any criticism of the church and Joseph, but your sources are, at best, dubious and outright slander at worst. Come up with some other source of material to justify your hatred of the church. These sources have been around for years. This is not some groundbreaking new thing here.

Calm down there, coach!!

This is why I brought it up. To find out if the sources amount to anything credible.

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:33 pm

Who Knows wrote:In RSR, Bushman had a section on the kirtland bank, but didn't even bring this up. It was all a scam regardless of whether this little story actually happened.

On what pages does Bushman cover this particular bank issue?