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Re: I'm having nightmares

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Nightlion wrote:
Ezias wrote:I am having nightmares or sometimes semi wake semi sleep obsessions with blood atonement. It freaks the crap out of me. I think it is driving me nuts. I seriously think this will cause me to stop attending church. I need to distance myself from the insanity before I become insane.

I need to go inactive just for my mental health.

If I leave, that is it too, I have to put it all behind me. No more forums for me.



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Be fierce for yourself
Look unto the Lord in your every thought
Pray (non rote)
If possible sit by the ocean beach and think
Walk among the people
Forgive all


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Re: I'm having nightmares

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I don't think I'll ever forget the last time I attended church (except for family issues, like missionary farewells and musical programs). It was about six weeks or so after the September Six were excommunicated, and for some reason our Sunday School teacher started talking about it. He went on and on about how necessary it was to keep the flock pure, to get rid of members whose views were not brethren approved, so to speak. I actually felt dizzy, claustrophobic and nauseated. I knew then the LDS church did not want "NOMS" - I would be viewed with suspicion, unless I lied to everyone constantly, which I knew I could not do. I felt so sick I got up and left, and never went back (except for family events, as I said).
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Re: I'm having nightmares

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people who think they don't need counseling would really benefit from counseling.

I can think of several things more bothersome (to me, at least) than blood atonement. Which is probably why I don't have nightmares about it.

Everyone has to decide how to handle the problems associated with membership in something that makes us fundamentally uncomfortable. How you solve your problem is up to you, but don't dismiss that which you've never tried. Good grief! You're smoking pot but you think counseling is useless? You smoke pot in my state and you'll end up in counseling whether you want it or not!
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Re: I'm having nightmares

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liz3564 wrote:
Nightlion wrote:

Demons freak when they notice you're turning away
Be fierce for yourself
Look unto the Lord in your every thought
Pray (non rote)
If possible sit by the ocean beach and think
Walk among the people
Forgive all


You really are one french fry short of a happy meal.


Good Lord, Liz, why would you say such a ridiculous thing?
I understand Ezias fairly well, and what I wrote was for him.

This makes you look like you just cannot resist an impulse.
When I offer sound advice you are compelled to crap on it.
You smear me nuts while you prove more that you must be.
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Re: I'm having nightmares

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My nightmares have gotten a lot better. As I move deeper into understanding how the Mormon mind works, my anger resolves. The
Dali Lama seems to call that applying the medicine of compassion to the disease of anger (for forgiveness).

When non-Mormons are marginalized by Mormon society, they become alienated from everything Mormon. Often to the point of rejecting the study of family history, which may be the answer to the problem.

When Mormons are marginalized by Mormon society, they tend to become super-Mormons, trying to gain acceptance by that same society that has hurt them. So, in some way, I am similar to those who are my worst enemies (Danites, they used to be called).

Strange isn't it?

So difficult to admit that they are so deeply involved in loving something that has so deeply hurt them. When, in actuality, deeply inside, they know and are afraind to admit it.
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Re: I'm having nightmares

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Ezias,

My approach is probably a little in-your-face, but here goes. What you need to do is pull your head out of your computer, stuff the computer in a closet and get your ass outside in the fresh air and sunshine.

There are those whose time spent on the internet, is more than unhealthy for them. The constant influx of information and in your case, mental images or sound effects as indicated in the link you supplied, is overwhelming you and making you fearful.

Shut yourself off from media. Do something real. Let me think of real things...

go for a walk
clean the house
rake leaves
wash the car
wash your windows
bake something
interact with your family, play board games
clean out your closet
play an instrument if you have one

Get OFF the computer!

Please note that I am not de-inviting you. I'm merely inviting you to get OFF the computer!

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Re: I'm having nightmares

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Ezias wrote: I need to distance myself from the insanity before I become insane.

I need to go inactive just for my mental health.


I can totally associate with this, as I experienced the same thing in 1986, the year before my "walk out". For three years after that walk out I felt happier than I'd ever been since joining. I reclaimed my life. I actually remember one day praying, "God, if there is a God, deliver me from this" (It was like living in a religious fantasy world of make-believe). But I didn't become a Christian nor join any other Church, though I made several returns as a "NOM", liberal, moderate, Liahona, call it whatever you will. Even those returns were short-lived because I was like the guy who went to the same movie several times expecting a different ending.

It never worked, because I always came back to what I was in August 1987 - away from this religious fantasy world. And I described that "escape" like Papillion's escape from Devil's Island.

Twenty-two years on I can assess all of this much more objectively and rationally. My occasional forays back into Mormonism, in retrospect, did not benefit me, and I'm talking about in real life and on the Internet (my two or so years on FAIR when I was in "why me mode", and hanging on in particular to the Book of Mormon).

It's not easy, especially when you have a family, and the light at the end of the tunnel may seem a long way off, if there at all. But your seeming "insanity" isn't peculiar to you. Some have described feeling "nauseated" and physically ill, and I can associate with that too.

This is a journey you and only you can undertake, and all I can offer you is this: It's indescribably fulfilling to be normal, and you really can't fully see nor appreciate those former "blind spots" until you experience gradual change from unreality back to reality. Truth be told, I can't tell you what "reality" is, but I can tell you what it is not. It is trying to make sense of the world through Nephi Supermen, floating Jaredite toilets, flying Liahonas, people who can see 2,500 years into the future, and people who walked with Jesus still being here converting sun-bakers on Bondi Beach (you probably will find it difficult to believe that I have experienced this being told to me by a "brother").

And one thing we have learned (or at least I have), is that not even a moderate approach will change this psyche. It's like trying to make the Mormon car run on distilled water. In that sense, I think the Mormon experience can be an incredibly difficult and sad one, especially for those born into the Church who want to escape it. At least I had something "concrete" I could go back to: An incredibly fortunate and normal childhood in a very nominal Catholic family with a father who told me at 14 I could make my choice whether I wanted to keep going to Church or not. They were, truly, "days in Camelot", which I have come to appreciate so much more in my aging years. My father always told me, "Son, you don't know how lucky you are." (I travelled half the world before I was 16). I do now. Lucky to have the family I did, and the experiences I did, and something I could hold on to when it was time to burn the bridges of religious fantasy.
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