Stem, you write ," why else any of this" I am lost as to what this you may have in mind. I find myself thinking of this beautiful world and the fascinating wonderful collection of people animals plants that we live with. I find myself thinking of the planets and the brilliance of the sun and the galaxy of suns.dastardly stem wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:57 pmWhy else for any of this? If God sat with none others in any eternally sublime condition, why create others who are required to worship him eternally if they wish to be saved with him, where they will continue to worship him eternally? I know this is not a nice sounding way to frame it for a believer's perspective but how else can we possibly view it, given a God as the traditional views teach?huckelberry wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:46 pmMarcus, I think it is possible that Mg chose the portion of Stems comment which made the most sense and fit best with what MG sees as Mormon strength. The rest of Stems comments seems rather dubious. I do not know a reason to think the creator of the universe is an insecure tyrant in need of worship to prop up his ego.
So are you suggesting he is like humans? In what way? Of course humans aren't immaterial, spaceless, and timeless. When traditional views of God are shared it really amounts to describing a nothingness to me by using words that mean very little to anyone other than used as placeholders for mysterious. Apparently the more such descriptions get used the more mysterious he's supposed to be. It sounds to me the traditional views embrace contradictions in God. That's what they seem to like. This contradiction appears to be only one of many.I suppose the human imagination might be able to create that image but it is certainly a substantial distance from what traditional Jewish or Christian beliefs has understood. Stem mentions god as wholly other. This is a phrase that is not widespread or based upon standard creeds. Some theologians have experimented with it. I think it is ironic to say because God is wholly unlike us he is like a petty insecure tyrant in need of worship, obviously contradicting the idea that God is unlike humans.
Are you seriously able to think all this is to collect some people to just and simply worship him forever? What in the world is this worship anyway? Singing hymns? Immensity reduced to triviality.
You end your comments by saying "this contradiction appears to be only one of many" Perhaps you were in a bit of a rush. You have not specified any contradiction just opined that they exist. So what contradiction is only one of many?
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Oh and I did not intend to suggest a way God was like humans I was suggesting you may be risking an assumption that god is like humans. I find myself doubting my own comment on that. No human would be as ridiculous as to create humanity just to be worshiped by humanity.